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Queen Mum Inks.LWC
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« on: July 30, 2012, 05:54:50 PM »
« edited: September 04, 2012, 12:02:35 AM by Assemblyman & Queen Mum Inks.LWC »
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2012, 02:17:13 PM »
What about adding a tax on pensions and getting a toll road system going to offset the transportation budget (which is also pretty high)?
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2012, 10:47:22 PM »
I propose the following amendment:

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As for the pension tax, that will be in a non-budget bill.
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2012, 05:37:42 PM »
Quote from: HappyWarrior on August 07, 2012, 02:32:07 PM
Quote from: Assemblyman & Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 06, 2012, 10:47:22 PM
I propose the following amendment:

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As for the pension tax, that will be in a non-budget bill.

Isn't that the same as the one I proposed before?

My apologies.  I did not see that.

Voting on HappyWarrior's amendment will now begin.  Members will vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN.  This  will be a 24-hour vote.
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2012, 05:42:40 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2012, 06:15:17 PM »

Why did you vote on this?
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2012, 07:40:29 PM »

OK - I don't mind the public voicing their opinions here, but let's try to differentiate between votes and public opinion.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2012, 11:43:07 PM »
Voting is now closed.  The AYEs are 4, and the NAYs are 0, with 1 ABSTAIN.  The AYEs have it, and the amendment is agreed to.  Debate will now continue.
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2012, 04:39:15 PM »
Quote from: JCL beith smitten with a lass on August 16, 2012, 11:39:15 AM
Let's cut government as opposed to raising taxes on income or this proposed beer tax increase.

Well the beer tax increase amendment passed
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2012, 06:15:52 PM »
Would a pension tax have to be done in a separate bill?
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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2012, 02:36:12 PM »
Quote from: A-Bob on August 19, 2012, 08:02:19 PM
Quote from: Mideast Governor ZuWo on August 18, 2012, 04:07:01 PM
I'm leaning towards supporting shua's idea and ask the members of the Assembly: Which specific tax expenditure(s) are you ready to sacrifice in return for a balanced budget?

Guys I'm telling as the conservative author of this bill we really can't afford to cut much from this budget at all. It already is as libertarian as you can get when compared to all the states in the region combined RL. It's easy to say "cut government" but this budget is already at that stage of enough to survive on, but enormously less expenditures than RL budgets. If you want to make this game like RL, then you have to look at the budget from the standpoint that we can't magically cut everything and expect great benefits due to incredible management and super people in every department. If you want to see the full fight, just go to the old thread where GM Badger and I endlessly debated this.

He's talking about cutting tax expenditures (i.e. tax cuts, etc.), not cutting government programs.
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2012, 12:52:51 AM »
Did nobody read what I said?
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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2012, 11:40:59 PM »
I'll bring the following amendment to a vote.  Members will vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN.  This will be a 24-hour vote.

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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2012, 11:41:33 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2012, 12:52:38 AM »
Voting is now closed.  The AYEs are 4, and the NAYs are 0, with 1 not voting.  The AYEs have it, and the amendment is agreed to.
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« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2012, 12:54:45 AM »
I'll sponsor this amendment for the Governor, and since it's been up for a bit, I don't see need for debate.  Voting is now open on this amendment.  Members will last for 48 hours.  Voting will vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN.  This will be a 24-hour vote.

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« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2012, 12:55:33 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2012, 12:02:19 AM »
Voting is now closed.  The AYEs are 3, and the NAYs are 1, with 1 not voting.  The AYEs have it and the amendment is agreed to.  Debate will now continue.
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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2012, 02:30:25 PM »
Would we support a pension tax?
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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2012, 05:13:54 AM »
What type of tax rate?  Do we want to tax it when it's put into the pension or when it comes out?

If done when it goes in, we could just include pre-pension contribution for income tax, but then that would exclude employer's contribution.  If we tax it when retirees get the pension and tax it as income then, it would probably be taxed at a lower rate than it would be if we taxed it when it was put in, but we would be covering the money put in by both employees and employers.
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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2012, 01:40:42 PM »
How about we include pre-pension income in an employees taxable income, and we tax employers' contributions at a rate of 1.5%?
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2012, 12:24:18 AM »
Input anyone?
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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2012, 11:40:03 PM »
While the pension tax is going through the pipes, does anyone else have amendments?
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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2012, 05:25:38 PM »
Plus the pension tax numbers have to be added in.
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