Does anyone honestly expect Boehner/McConnell to win this Debt Ceiling fight?

[Blue3]

Does anyone honestly expect Boehner/McConnell to win this Debt Ceiling fight?

Seriously?

Have they even won a single legislative battle against Obama since the 2010 midterms, or ever? They really seem to just want to pick a fight with Obama every chance they can, instead of choosing their fights wisely.

How can the GOP win? Especially since Pelosi, Reid, and the liberal base are urging Obama to just use one of the "constiutional" options... (invoking the 14th amendment to invalidate the debt ceiling, mint a $1 trillion coin, etc.)


(It might help Boehner/McConnell if they'd actually name the spending cuts and entitlement reforms they want, too... I think the only, and very small, thing they've named is that they want to go to a chained-CPI system for Social Security. How can they negotiate without saying what they want?)

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

The 14th Amendment option some idiots float from time to time won't work.  At most it could be used to justify Obama giving priority on using available funds to make interest payments on the debt.  It emphatically does not allow Obama to incur more debt than the debt ceiling allows him to.

Since the government does take in more revenue than is needed to pay the interest, all the debt ceiling would do is cause a partial government shutdown, which while messy politically and economically does not require ripping up the Constitution to deal with.

[Blue3]

The 14th Amendment option some idiots float from time to time won't work.  At most it could be used to justify Obama giving priority on using available funds to make interest payments on the debt.  It emphatically does not allow Obama to incur more debt than the debt ceiling allows him to.

Since the government does take in more revenue than is needed to pay the interest, all the debt ceiling would do is cause a partial government shutdown, which while messy politically and economically does not require ripping up the Constitution to deal with.

1. That's not the topic of this thread

2. the Debt Ceiling has only really been used as a negotiation tactic since 2011

3. The Constitution > whatever law created the Debt Ceiling in the early 20th century

[Gass3268]

The 14th Amendment option some idiots float from time to time won't work.  At most it could be used to justify Obama giving priority on using available funds to make interest payments on the debt.  It emphatically does not allow Obama to incur more debt than the debt ceiling allows him to.

Since the government does take in more revenue than is needed to pay the interest, all the debt ceiling would do is cause a partial government shutdown, which while messy politically and economically does not require ripping up the Constitution to deal with.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/harry-reid-obama-debt-ceiling_n_2410557.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/06/14th-amendment-option_n_2420461.html

Both Pelosi and Reid have now advocated that Obama use the 14th Amendment.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't trust them to win it. I just trust Obama to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

3. The Constitution > whatever law created the Debt Ceiling in the early 20th century

So you'd prefer we went back to the old system where Congress passed a separate law each and every time the US issued debt obligations?

[Simfan34]

3. The Constitution > whatever law created the Debt Ceiling in the early 20th century

So you'd prefer we went back to the old system where Congress passed a separate law each and every time the US issued debt obligations?

Of course.

[opebo]

I thought the Republicans had been winning nearly everything for the last several years?