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« Reply #75 on: August 12, 2012, 12:45:02 AM »

Don't you have the feeling that Obama is becoming Agnostic? If so then we have an Agnostic/Catholic ticket vs. the Mormon/Catholic ticket.
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« Reply #76 on: August 12, 2012, 12:56:00 AM »

What's the basis for these claims of an Obama apostasy?
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« Reply #77 on: August 12, 2012, 01:04:40 AM »

It's implied so far, but I think he might be leaning there. His new same-sex marriage stance reflects this.
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« Reply #78 on: August 12, 2012, 01:05:23 AM »

What's the basis for these claims of an Obama apostasy?

I imagine it originates from his "cling to guns and religion" comment and the fact that he is an intellectual.

If he announced that he was an agnostic, I would be pleased, but I fear we have another 2-3 decades to go before America would tolerate a non-religious candidacy.
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« Reply #79 on: August 12, 2012, 01:08:31 AM »

What's the basis for these claims of an Obama apostasy?
If he announced that he was an agnostic, I would be pleased, but I fear we have another 2-3 decades to go before America would tolerate a non-religious candidacy.


I'd be pleased too, but I would have to agree on the tolerance of a non-religious candidacy. It will happen soon I bet, but it would be pretty hard.
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« Reply #80 on: August 12, 2012, 01:11:59 AM »

It's implied so far, but I think he might be leaning there. His new same-sex marriage stance reflects this.

What? No it doesn't. Not necessarily, anyway.
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« Reply #81 on: August 12, 2012, 01:26:27 AM »

It's implied so far, but I think he might be leaning there. His new same-sex marriage stance reflects this.

What? No it doesn't. Not necessarily, anyway.

Yeah, plenty of liberal Protestants support gay marriage and don't care for people who "cling" to guns or religion, whatever that means.
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« Reply #82 on: August 12, 2012, 01:44:30 AM »

Paul Ryan is undoubtedly an atheist.
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« Reply #83 on: August 12, 2012, 01:49:30 AM »


And on what do you base such an accusation?
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« Reply #84 on: August 12, 2012, 01:52:08 AM »


He's a Randite and proud social Darwinist.
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« Reply #85 on: August 12, 2012, 01:58:30 AM »


He holds several mutually contradictory sets of beliefs at once, in common with the rest of us. We're living in modernity.
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« Reply #86 on: August 12, 2012, 01:59:09 AM »


There are many Randites that follow her economic philosophy but not her views on religion. Which is a shame, because while she's extreme on economics, she was more spot-on on the subject of religion. Tongue
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« Reply #87 on: August 12, 2012, 02:00:28 AM »


There are many Randites that follow her economic philosophy but not her views on religion. Which is a shame, because while she's extreme on economics, she was more spot-on on the subject of religion. Tongue

The first thing she said to Bill Buckley was that he struck her as too smart to believe in God. That's not 'spot-on', that's just being an unreconstructed asshole.
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« Reply #88 on: August 12, 2012, 02:07:19 AM »


There are many Randites that follow her economic philosophy but not her views on religion. Which is a shame, because while she's extreme on economics, she was more spot-on on the subject of religion. Tongue

The first thing she said to Bill Buckley was that he struck her as too smart to believe in God. That's not 'spot-on', that's just being an unreconstructed asshole.

Depends on which side of the veil of religion you're on. As a non-believer, I find that to be quite the compliment for Bill Buckley. Still, I understand how it comes off as negative and tactless.

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« Reply #89 on: August 12, 2012, 02:08:19 AM »


There are many Randites that follow her economic philosophy but not her views on religion. Which is a shame, because while she's extreme on economics, she was more spot-on on the subject of religion. Tongue

The first thing she said to Bill Buckley was that he struck her as too smart to believe in God. That's not 'spot-on', that's just being an unreconstructed asshole.

Depends on which side of the veil of religion you're on. As a non-believer, I find that to be quite the compliment for Bill Buckley. Still, I understand how it comes off as negative and tactless.

Many atheists who understand religion partially as a cultural marker would find it culturally insensitive even if they didn't disagree with a baseline statement of the underlying assumption.
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« Reply #90 on: August 12, 2012, 03:15:28 AM »

Oh, and Mormons are Protestant Christians, just to let you know. Odd ones yes, but still Protestants.

I don't have a dog in the hunt, but that is a very contentious point of view. Mormons may believe they are in the Protestant tradition, but lots of Protestant sects don't even accept they are Christian.

Can't we agree that the Mormons are non-Protestant Christians? Of course I don't really care which branch of the Abrahamic religion people think they are.
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« Reply #91 on: August 12, 2012, 03:37:50 AM »

Mormans are their own thing. They are not Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical or Pentacostal.

What about Morwomen?

The correct term is Mormaid.
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« Reply #92 on: August 12, 2012, 07:34:51 AM »

Oh, and Mormons are Protestant Christians, just to let you know. Odd ones yes, but still Protestants.

I don't have a dog in the hunt, but that is a very contentious point of view. Mormons may believe they are in the Protestant tradition, but lots of Protestant sects don't even accept they are Christian.

Some Protestant sects don't consider Catholics Christian.

Almost all Protestant theologians recognise Catholics and Orthodox as fellow Christians and they return the favour, none of these recognise the Mormons as Christians, and being Christian are necessary to be Protestant. Of course laymen do see Mormons as a Christian sect, and outside the theology, Mormons are descendent of the Christian and Protestant traditions.
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« Reply #93 on: August 12, 2012, 07:49:24 AM »

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« Reply #94 on: August 12, 2012, 08:02:14 AM »

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And which 'tradition' do they descend from?

The Anglo-Saxon mess of semi-Low Church sects (all those different Protestant groups which spread in 17th and early 18th century on the British Isles like Baptist, Methodist, Quaker etc).
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« Reply #95 on: August 12, 2012, 08:11:21 AM »

Oh, and Mormons are Protestant Christians, just to let you know. Odd ones yes, but still Protestants.

I don't have a dog in the hunt, but that is a very contentious point of view. Mormons may believe they are in the Protestant tradition, but lots of Protestant sects don't even accept they are Christian.

Can't we agree that the Mormons are non-Protestant Christians? Of course I don't really care which branch of the Abrahamic religion people think they are.

I'm not Christian, so I don't have an opinion other than to defer to how they identify themselves, but there are lots of people out there who have an issue with it.
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« Reply #96 on: August 12, 2012, 08:13:33 AM »

Some other fun facts:

1. This is the first time two Catholics (Biden and Ryan) are running against each other for either Presidency or Vice Presidency
2. This is the first time a resident of Wisconsin was nominated by a major party for either Presidet or Vice President (the only notable major third-party candidacy I can think of is Pat Lucey in 1980)
3. This is the first time since 1984 a sitting member of the House was nominated
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« Reply #97 on: August 12, 2012, 01:10:20 PM »

This is the first time a resident of Wisconsin was nominated by a major party for either President or Vice President (the only notable major third-party candidacy I can think of is Pat Lucey in 1980)

How can you forget Fighting Bob LaFollette?  The Progressive Party nominee in 1924 and winner of Wisconsin's 13 EVs.
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« Reply #98 on: August 12, 2012, 01:10:28 PM »

Another fun fact:

America has yet to elect a President who has both self-identified as being an 'Evangelical Protestant" and is also from an Evangelical Protestant denomination.
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« Reply #99 on: August 13, 2012, 02:19:09 AM »

I thought Lutherens were the most popular denomination. 

We need more Quakers - like Nixon.

And Jehovah's Witnesses - like Eisenhower.
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