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« on: October 18, 2012, 12:50:11 am »
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http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=profile;u=1478;sa=showPosts

From what my eyes see and what the eyes of the people who I managed to find available to give a second such opinion (I am very tired and didn't want to missfire here), Bacon King has posted 160 or so posts on the Atlas since October 1st. He has posted none of them in the AFG board and thus none in the Senate in the last 18 days. I haven't seen any leaves of absence either. Considering his significant presence on the forum over this period, such could hadly be seen as legitimate if it existed.

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Article 12: Expulsion Procedures
1. 1. A Senator may motion for the expulsion of any other sitting Senator, provided that the aforementioned Senator has not posted anything in the Senate for 14 consecutive days and has not declared a leave of absence before. This shall be done by creating a thread in the Atlas Fantasy Government Board specifically motioning for expulsion of the aforementioned Senator.

2. If the motion is seconded by another Senator, the PPT shall commence debate and hear the reasons for the expulsion motion and provide an opportunity for the Senator being expelled to respond and defend himself. Debate on the expulsion for the Senator shall last for no less then 72 hours. Once 72 hours has expired, a Senator may motion for an extension of 48 hours to the debating period.

3. After all time has expire, the PPT shall close the debate and open a vote on the expulsion of the senator. The vote shall require, in accordance with Article 1 Section 3 Clause 1 of the Constitution, two thirds of the Senate to vote in the affirmative to expel the Senator. The vote shall last for 120 hours or until enough Senators have voted in the affirmative (7) or negative (4).

4. Following the expulsion of a Senator, the PPT shall inform the public of its actions and inform the Secretary of Federal Elections of the occurrence of a vacancy in the expelled Senator’s seat.

I motion to expell Bacon King from the Senate and ask for a second.
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2012, 12:53:20 am »
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It hurts to do this, but second.  This session has been terrible because of things like this.
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2012, 01:24:41 am »
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72 hours of debate commences

Throughout his term Bacon King has been fairly innactive. He didn't even swear in until a week after the Senate started. He has since most by far the most votes and been unresponsive to requests made too him along with the other Senators in multiple PMs (The other Senator's can verify their existance), to vote on bills and improve the activity levels.

The last post in the Senate was in late September, it is now Oct 18th. He has posted 160+ times on the forum since then, including the 2012 board, the forum community board and many other sundry and distastefull parts of town, yet he never found time to even vote once in 20 some days time on a Senate bill.
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2012, 10:24:18 pm »
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You'll find no debate from me. I like Bacon King, but this type of crap kinda irritates me. Yes, it slows the senate down, but it's also just disrespectful to the process. There were a lot of folks running for his senate seat who would have done a fantastic job.
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2012, 10:27:42 pm »
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Yeah, like I alluded to in the PPT and Committee elections, I knew this was going to happen from the get-go and am amazed people actually elected him again when he's basically established a pattern of up and disappearing. People really need to break out of their tendency to vote for the nice guy despite huge, glaring red flags. I like BK but people should know better by now.
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2012, 06:53:20 pm »
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I support this motion and I ask that the Presiding Officer request unanimous consent to bring this to a final vote immediately.

Marokai's entirely right; I'm already way too flaky with my real-life commitments, and that horrible habit is intensified when it's just internet message board commitments. Kinda like that RISK game that's been on hiatus for a year now. I mean, I still plan on restarting that, but I've really been a dick in offering to run the game but then not doing anything about it for so long.

For what it's worth, I definitely wanted to run and really have fun in the Senate, be active, like in the good old days. Honestly, though, I guess real life gets into the way, and I suppose my heart's just not in this anymore. I've wanted to be posting in the Senate over the last couple of weeks, honestly; maybe this is hard to explain, but it's like, posting on the Atlas is something I do to procrastinate to take a break from work; I haven't had any genuine free time in months. I thought I could have some great procrastination from real life with the Senate here, as well, which is why I ran, but I guess I just view this as a different sort of "work" that I can't do until I'm actually free. Sorry I let everyone down who voted for me.

I guess I'll still vote in elections and such but for the forseeable future I'll be retiring from participation in Atlasia. It's been fun, and I hope y'all remember me for the good and productive Bacon King times, not the lazy and absent Bacon King times. I hope you guys don't mind that I'd like to have the symbolism of voting for my own removal rather than just resigning. I know it'll slow things down by a day or so but I really feel it's more fitting.





PS! For the hell of it, here's one last bit of Bacon King's Patented Loophole Abuse ™, for old time's sake, that I'm obviously not actually arguing, but it's what came to mind that I would argue if I actually wanted to get around this:

Note that Article 12, Clause 1 reads, "...provided that the aforementioned Senator has not posted anything in the Senate for 14 consecutive days and has not declared a leave of absence before."

First off, note the wording in bold. I have declared a leave of absence before. Several, in fact. The OSPR doesn't say at all that I must've been on a declared leave of absence for the fourteen days, just that I have declared one at some point in the past. And I totally have. Grin

Second, even if you want to ignore that part, the OSPR doesn't require that my leave of absence be declared here in the Senate, or even on the forum itself. I definitely posted in the OSPR sometime last week that I was "kinda taking an absence from the Senate right now to do this research paper," and I feel that case would probably hold up especially if someone like Oakvale, Yelnoc, Snowstalker, etc had remembered that I said it and posted in my defense.

Third, I could probably also argue that this post was definitely intended to be a declaration of absence on my part, as my midterms still weren't done yet. and it was really going to be a couple of days before I could be Senatoring again.



But hey, even if I still thought I could manage being a Senator right now, it'd be really dickish to pull any of those. Just trying to see if I still got it in me! Would you guys have let me stay if I argued those points and was suddenly all active again? Tongue Regardless, that section there probably should be amended, especially now that I've pointed out the vagueness for anyone to take advantage of. Smiley

But yeah, I'll try to lurk and offer my insight from time to time as a non-member. If you guys ever need help with any questionably legal workarounds, just shoot me a PM Smiley

But anyway, sorry, and thanks for all the years of fun.

<3 u guyz!
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2012, 07:11:03 pm »
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So... did you just OFFICIALLY resign, or did you just prepare for a hurricane of "YES" votes?

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I hope you guys don't mind that I'd like to have the symbolism of voting for my own removal rather than just resigning.
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2012, 01:06:38 am »
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And just like two years ago, we now have to amend the persecution process for inactives afterwards. And that is why we like bacon... Tongue Yes, you can still screw the rules just like in the good ole days.

Unfortunately the rules regarding UC aren't screwable, and thus I can't use it here.

And yes, the Senate has always been thought of by myself as an "obligation I shall fullfill", rather than any kind of a fun get-away.

As for tightening the language:
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Article 12: Expulsion Procedures
1. 1. A Senator may motion for the expulsion of any other sitting Senator, provided that the aforementioned Senator has not posted anything in the Senate for 14 consecutive days and has not declared a leave of absence before in the Atlas Fanasty Government Board, by creating a thread alerting the Senate to the potential for absence over a coming specified set of days. Those specific days shall thus not be counted towards the 14 days.. This Expulsion motions shall be done by creating a thread in the Atlas Fantasy Government Board specifically motioning for expulsion of the aforementioned Senator.

2. If the motion is seconded by another Senator, the PPT shall commence debate and hear the reasons for the expulsion motion and provide an opportunity for the Senator being expelled to respond and defend himself. Debate on the expulsion for the Senator shall last for no less then 72 hours. Once 72 hours has expired, a Senator may motion for an extension of 48 hours to the debating period.

3. After all time has expire, the PPT shall close the debate and open a vote on the expulsion of the senator. The vote shall require, in accordance with Article 1 Section 3 Clause 1 of the Constitution, two thirds of the Senate to vote in the affirmative to expel the Senator. The vote shall last for 120 hours or until enough Senators have voted in the affirmative (7) or negative (4).

4. Following the expulsion of a Senator, the PPT shall inform the public of its actions and inform the Secretary of Federal Elections of the occurrence of a vacancy in the expelled Senator’s seat.

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2012, 08:13:59 pm »
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Noting that debate time has elapsed, I move for a vote on the question at hand.
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2012, 08:32:11 am »
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Concerned citizen here: What's "Atlas Fanasty Government"?
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There is a lot of humor to be mined from this as the mind of LBJ in the body of an 18 month old baby girl is quite hilarious.

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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2012, 10:03:27 am »
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Senators, the question of whether or not to expel Senator Bacon King is now at vote, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2012, 10:04:17 am »
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2012, 10:06:29 am »
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AYE!


Colors should be flipped here red for affirmative, the color of blood.
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2012, 12:01:13 pm »
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"Now let me be clear...I...I...um...uh...now let me be clear.  I strongly condemn the affirmative in the strongest possible terms, and I am closely monitoring their arguments.  Let me be clear on this."
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2012, 12:56:09 pm »
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Aye - though I further wish to add that BK's display of honour here is praiseworthy.
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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2012, 02:00:48 pm »
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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2012, 02:01:42 pm »
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Aye.
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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2012, 03:43:45 pm »
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I just find so ironic the contrast of personalities with Ben posted right after and two different smile faces we used (Ben - sad, Yankee - demonic lust for blood).


Six votes in just four hours, not bad. I won't end this until we have atleast 8 and considering we have six already, it probably will only be a few hours.

sbane, Hagrid, NVtownsend nad Marokai have yet to vote.
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2012, 07:09:57 pm »
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Aye. But I thank BK for his words here and would just like to say I understand the way he feels entirely, at times.
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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2012, 12:55:38 pm »
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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2012, 11:35:34 pm »
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Vote on the Expulsion of Senator Bacon King:

Aye (9): Bacon King, Ben, Franzl, HagridoftheDeep, Marokai Blue, NC Yankee, Redalgo, sbane and Scott
Nay (0):
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (1): NVTownsend (Was still in office when it began)

Having received a 2/3rds vote in the affirmative, the Senator has been expelled.
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