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« Reply #125 on: October 10, 2012, 08:43:34 PM »

I don't really have much to add to the discussion here. I don't see why this bill is necessary. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Well, I suppose that is the difference between us here. Tongue
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« Reply #126 on: October 10, 2012, 08:44:38 PM »
« Edited: October 10, 2012, 08:51:17 PM by Senator Scott »

I think the VP position needs to be reformed, but I don't see how electing one separately will help in assigning new duties to it or anything like that.  As Hagrid said, it isn't really broken for the fact that the VP and the President are elected as a ticket.  VP candidates already have the obligation to present themselves as qualified contenders for the position because what they do on the campaign trail (debates and whatnot) can impact the ticket's chances overall.

As someone who introduced VP reform legislation before, I can say from experience it's not an easy issue to reach a consensus on. Tongue
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« Reply #127 on: October 14, 2012, 12:26:57 PM »

Are we all done here?  I will hold a vote on recommendations tonight.
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« Reply #128 on: October 15, 2012, 03:33:11 AM »

Just because someone is elected independently in a competative election, won't ensure their activity. Look at some of the Senators. Atleast three (seems like five of them this time) are inactive. They typically weight more towards the At-Large Senators, which are allegedly the best because they are unpredictable, but this time some Regionals have slipped in as well. Some of the most active Senators are typically Regional Senators from uncompetative regions (atleast historically, bgwah, Scott, and one more whom modesty forbids me mentioning Wink). The most competative region in the last three to four years, the mideast, has produced some of the worst Senators over that period in terms of activity (Sorry Ben, you actually in the mid range of this Senate Tongue), with one or two exceptions.

VPs (except Kalwejt a time long before, which gave me hope for something similar this time, but that of course didn't happen), have not worked out a Senate administration sharing agreement with the PPT. I know because there is this guy running the Senate, who gives me this information. Wink I also don't think they have been keeping the OSPR up to date since that duty was shifted over to that possition. We passed an amendment allowing joint cabinet-VP officeholders and my hope was that would lead to the VP taking an active role in pressing the cabinet to act and get stuff done. That hasn't happened either. The general argument has been that the VP has nothing to do. Well it has three areas right there that it could find enough to do to fill several hours a day, and yet none of it happens.

I think the VP needs some intense oversight, like the SoIA. And a change in the way the general public treats the innactivity of that official, like the SoIA. And a greater willingness to take extreme measures if they fail to do their job, like the SoIA. Hey Marokai, you gonna try and abolish the VP next? Tongue
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« Reply #129 on: October 15, 2012, 03:14:54 PM »

Whoops, forgot about this.

Members, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.



1. On recommendation to pass the Separate Elections Amendment
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« Reply #130 on: October 15, 2012, 03:16:07 PM »

Nay.
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« Reply #131 on: October 15, 2012, 08:16:15 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #132 on: October 20, 2012, 12:23:37 AM »

SCOTT!!! WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?!!! FIVE DAYS! I expect more from you, I haven't needed to prod you as much, don't negate that record here at the end.
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« Reply #133 on: October 20, 2012, 12:25:07 AM »

Sorry.

Fails 2-0.

It's hard to remember to update this when enthusiasm is so lacking this session.

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« Reply #134 on: October 20, 2012, 12:28:41 AM »

Next on the list: the Blast from the Game Reform Past Amendment.



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« Reply #135 on: October 20, 2012, 01:32:42 AM »

Sorry.

Fails 2-0.

It's hard to remember to update this when enthusiasm is so lacking this session.



Now you know what it is like for me all these years. Activity is contagious, you have to fight back!
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« Reply #136 on: October 20, 2012, 01:50:52 AM »

This is an old proposal I've modified that was en vogue with certain reformist elements back when I first joined Atlasia, designed to give Governors more influence and representation in national issues as well as, by extension, greatly improving the importance of those regional elections.

I must confess though, I feel sort of bizarre being expected to have some sort of point-by-point presentation for why this should be passed. Not every game reform proposal needs to have some sort of burning problem it is meant to address; this is a game, I hope people realize. Shouldn't "we should switches things up from time to time to keep things from getting stale because we're all supposed to be having fun and paying attention here" be reason enough for considering something? And why do we have committees again, while we're at it? I hate debating these issues twice. And what's the deal with airplane food!
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« Reply #137 on: October 22, 2012, 12:30:46 AM »

I am putting this at a recommendation vote on Tuesday.  Somehow, the Committee is going to have to find a new member and a new Chair.

As for this amendment, I'm incline to oppose this just because I don't see the urgent need for it and I like the system we have now.  Changes like this probably won't increase activity, because major changes to the game do not, most of the time.  I don't have much else to say on this, so I guess it's just a difference of opinion. Tongue
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« Reply #138 on: October 23, 2012, 04:05:04 PM »

Members, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.



1. On recommendation to pass the Blast from the Game Reform Past Amendment
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« Reply #139 on: October 23, 2012, 09:07:12 PM »

Nay.
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« Reply #140 on: October 23, 2012, 09:09:35 PM »

Aye.
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« Reply #141 on: October 24, 2012, 12:26:21 PM »

Nay

Sorry for the lateness.
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« Reply #142 on: October 24, 2012, 01:33:59 PM »

Thank you.

By a vote of 2-1, this Committee does not recommend passage of the Blast from the Game Reform Past Amendment.



And with that, I hereby resign as Chair and as a member of this Committee.
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