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DrScholl
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« on: August 14, 2012, 04:25:45 PM »

The comment was about Wall Street and regulation, which is a hardly a racial issue. Of course, it's easier to turn it into a racial issue than actually discuss the issue at hand.
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DrScholl
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2012, 11:37:34 AM »


Yeah, but for over 100 years after the Civil War, Democrats oppressed blacks by fighting against bans on lynching, racial segregation, and protecting blacks against the KKK.  Republicans consistently fought for freedom for blacks and continue to do so by encouraging work to make them independent of government assistance.

That's not the same Republican Party as the one now. Stop twisting history.
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DrScholl
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2012, 10:18:31 AM »

Here it is.  The author is by all appearances a liberal professor and obviously subscribes to the liberal narrative on the Southern strategy, but he nonetheless debunks the myth that the shift toward Republicans in the South was based on race:
 http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.928/article_detail.asp


Ever hear of Lee Atwater? He admitted the southern strategy. What other explanation is there for a mainly Northern, moderate party making gains in the South? It's very clear what it was about and no one can deny it.
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DrScholl
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2012, 10:30:47 AM »

Lee Atwater claimed a lot of things. Dude even claimed he found Jesus in a particular version of a Bible he claimed to read all of the time. When folks when to retrieve his goods after his death, they found that Bible still in the plastic-wrap. Spin doctor is going to spin.

Explain Carter's massive success in 1976 and relative success in 1980 with regards to the South. Furthermore, explain Clinton's success in the South in 1992 and 1996.

Atwater carried out some of the Southern Strategy and he didn't give an explanation of it.


 
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Carter and Clinton were from the South and at the time the south was partial to candidates from there.
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DrScholl
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2012, 10:42:11 AM »


The democrats benefit from black people being poorer and more dependent on the government, because that's exactly what their platform is. It's right there in the platform. The republicans benefit when black people get jobs, own houses, raise their families.

This is not true. If you look at suburbs in places like Georgia, Maryland and to a lesser extent, Texas, blacks moving into higher income brackets still vote heavily Democratic. Where have Republicans benefited?
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DrScholl
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2012, 11:11:08 AM »
« Edited: August 16, 2012, 11:23:58 AM by DrScholl »

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If black people vote 95:5 Democrat on average, and wealthier black people vote 80:20 Democrat on average - how have they benefited?

Where are you stats to substantiate your numbers? You can't just make up numbers like that. If you go on the redistricting app, you'll see that there is very little difference between how income groups vote among blacks. Some wealthier neighborhoods are less black than poorer urban areas, but you still get very heavily Democratic skewed numbers which suggest that blacks aren't voting disproportionately Republican. Try again.
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DrScholl
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2012, 11:27:01 AM »


It's your argument - you want the actual percentages, then feel free to cite actual percentages. As I said, just because the total percentage skews massively democrat indicates nothing.

You made a claim that wealthier black vote 80-20 Republican with no proof, you seemingly made up numbers. I'm not the one that made the claim that Republicans benefit from blacks being wealthier, YOU DID.
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