SENATE BILL: National University and General Education Reform bill (Law'd)

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Sponsor: Sbane
Co-Sponsored by Scott (I think)

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Requested for the Executive slot. Sbane, Scott, you have the next 24 hours to offer advocacy for this.

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I was getting ready to bitch at Scott's vague answer then I remembered that Sbane is the primary sponsor.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well you see the pain from my knee injury has made me delirious to the point that I can't tell the difference between Mittens and Old Bill now.

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The amendment has passed, of course.

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Where are we here at this point?

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I would also exempt certain majors or limit the number of spots for "full tuition support", each year. We shouldn't be subsidizing people into educations that are least likely as to provide them with a job and have the least benefit for the economy.

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Four days, five days, whatever the length of time it has been this has been sitting too long with no discussion.

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Somebody better be sick or dead in relation to this bill sitting here this long!

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Can you bold what you are changing here?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Four days, five days, whatever the length of time it has been this has been sitting too long with no discussion.

Well what were you waiting for? You could have opened a vote...I ask that this amendment be deemed frivolous, it has nothing to do with the sponsor's intentions and should be considered as a separate bill if the Senator feels strongly about this.

I wasn't waiting for anything. I missed a day and a few hours, otherwise my first warning would have been on the second, two days after the last substantative post. I also realize that activity drops on Sunday and Monday and that towards the end of the Seante things are always harder. I don't open votes when there is open discussion, unless attempts have failed completely to restart the discussion. I determine where the threshold is on a case by case by basis. This one was to be tomorow, if Seatown hadn't offered an amendment

The sponsor's intentions are wholly meaningless. If a majority of Senators agree with Seatown, then he should have his way with the text. That is how the Senate has always handled these things, and very rarely has the frivolous clause been invoked at all. I most certainly don't see the need here.

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Okay, forget the bold.

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Status: The above amendment is now at vote, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain. 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Four days, five days, whatever the length of time it has been this has been sitting too long with no discussion.

Well what were you waiting for? You could have opened a vote...I ask that this amendment be deemed frivolous, it has nothing to do with the sponsor's intentions and should be considered as a separate bill if the Senator feels strongly about this.

How is this substantiated? And why are you trying to micromanage Senate work?

I am the primary author of this bill and campaigned on these policies so it is my duty to fight for it to pass. I certainly wont sign what would be a hostile takeover of a decent bill if you want your idea to have a chance of getting signed into law you should go about it the right way. I don't see what is unfair about that. You have had plenty of time to put together your own bill instead of trying whatever it is your trying.

I can understand being passionate about something in politics. But it is no justification to use a heavy handed tactic to deprive someone who disagress with one the right to offer his ideas.

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NAY!


Outdid you Scott.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Four days, five days, whatever the length of time it has been this has been sitting too long with no discussion.

Well what were you waiting for? You could have opened a vote...I ask that this amendment be deemed frivolous, it has nothing to do with the sponsor's intentions and should be considered as a separate bill if the Senator feels strongly about this.

How is this substantiated? And why are you trying to micromanage Senate work?

I am the primary author of this bill and campaigned on these policies so it is my duty to fight for it to pass. I certainly wont sign what would be a hostile takeover of a decent bill if you want your idea to have a chance of getting signed into law you should go about it the right way. I don't see what is unfair about that. You have had plenty of time to put together your own bill instead of trying whatever it is your trying.

I can understand being passionate about something in politics. But it is no justification to use a heavy handed tactic to deprive someone who disagress with one the right to offer his ideas.

Yeah, that's absolutely awesome considering I am not depriving anyone the right to offer ideas, I am suggesting they go about it in the right way. Your hyperbolic campaign language doesn't change that. I want Seatown to realize that he would be more successful working with others than against them.

Through the bill amendment process you are. He probably should offer it as a separate bill, but once again that is a political consideration regarding the chances of his success and so forth. As far as procedures are concerned though, there is no wrong way when considering whether to do it as a seperate bill or through altering an existing one, provided it is substantive and relevant to the overall topic. If he was amending it to say something stupid like "School sucks!" then there would be a legitimate reason to declare it as frivolous.

Yes he should, but it isn't going to matter very much in less than an hour, at least not for a while.

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Now comes an even harder part. Determing who succeeds who in an election that changed 4/5 At-Large seats.


I assume it is like this:
Andy > BK
Seatown > MB
TJ > Hagrid
Worms > NVTownsend.

It is only an issue if Marokai votes here  and differently from Seatown, because neither TJ nor Andy did and Worms well he was pre-disposed of.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Amendment 50:41 by Seatown:

Aye (1): Seatown
Nay (: Ben, Clarence, HagridOftheDeep, NC Yankee, NVTownsend, Redalgo, sbane and Scott
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (1): AndrewTX/BK, Marokai Blue (Didn't alter predecessors Vote), TJ (Vote cast be successor)

The amendment has failed.

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Senators, this bill is now at final vote, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

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I knew something was wrong here and have for two weeks. Now I know why, I completely missed this post by Sbane. It was the last post on that page and discussion carried over onto the next one so I missed it. Sbane, why didn't you call me out on this when at the beginning of the month, when I asked about remaining business?

I object to Ben's amendment and it is unfriendly now. We need to appropriate more money to construct and run the university. Here is my own amendment:

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The Final Vote has been halted on the grounds that two amendments posted were improperly handled or missed.

Is it possible that you and Ben could work out some kind of an agreement here? Ben never responded to your alternative numbers, that I recall. That would save a lot of time. Both amendment could be withdrawn then, a new one passed and a new final vote opened by Friday.


It is worth a few hours or until I get back online. That will allow time for it to sink in that we are changing gears here. Jumping from one vote to the next will cause confusion.
 

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Ben's amendment: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=157619.msg3400477#msg3400477