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Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas
Ray Goldfield
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« on: September 05, 2012, 07:20:30 PM »

Well, that's a gift.
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Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas
Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2012, 09:02:59 PM »

Maybe you can start to realize that a lot of people don't believe in the legitimacy of Israel and naming Jerusalem as its capital gives it legitimacy. If Jews have a problem with this, they can move directly to their "homeland".

Yes, that's right, the path to victory for the Democrats is to deny the existential legitimacy of a nuclear power (and one of the US' closest allies) and imply that their second most loyal constituency should leave the country.
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Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas
Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2012, 09:06:52 PM »

This is going to make talking to relatives who have NY Jew-style beliefs even harder. Thanks, Democrats.

No, but seriously, it's not a campaign-killer, but Republicans are really, really good at taking advantage of bad moments like this, while Democrats suck for some reason. And I wouldn't limit this to Florida (though neither would I overestimate is) -- I keep having to refer back to Gallup to show you people how across-the-board support for Israel really is among the American populace (nobody disputes politicians, but it's just as good in the general population):

http://www.gallup.com/poll/153092/americans-continue-tilt-pro-israel.aspx

Yes on all points.

This will be played ad nauseum a la "You didn't build that".

And the anti-Israel movement in this country by and large remains a very loud, nasty fringe group that is in the vast minority.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2012, 01:20:19 PM »

I am glad there were at least a few people willing to stand up to the Zionists and the religious extremists who want to marginalize atheists.

And being against Zionism (which is harmful to the long term interests of the Jewish people) is not being anti-semitic.

95% of the countries of the world with a significant Jewish population have turned on the Jews at some point. Zionism exists to allow the Jews to determine their own fate and ensure that mass slaughter of Jewish minorities never happens again.

Not every anti-Zionist is anti-semitic, but to be strongly anti-Zionist means that anti-semitism must not be a big concern.
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Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas
Ray Goldfield
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,797


« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2012, 01:30:37 PM »

I am glad there were at least a few people willing to stand up to the Zionists and the religious extremists who want to marginalize atheists.

And being against Zionism (which is harmful to the long term interests of the Jewish people) is not being anti-semitic.

95% of the countries of the world with a significant Jewish population have turned on the Jews at some point. Zionism exists to allow the Jews to determine their own fate and ensure that mass slaughter of Jewish minorities never happens again.

Not every anti-Zionist is anti-semitic, but to be strongly anti-Zionist means that anti-semitism must not be a big concern.

These guys would like to have a word with you:



And in other news...

Allegedly, a DNC delegate walked out over this.

Ah, yes. Neteurei Karta, the radical terrorist-supporting fringe of the Ultra-Orthodox. These guys are a huge problem in Israel. They're the ones who spat on the little girl walking to school for being "immodest".

Essentially the WBC of Israel.
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Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas
Ray Goldfield
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,797


« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2012, 02:33:12 PM »

But they certainly disprove the "hurrhurr, anti-Israel = anti-Semitic" drivel.

Also, aren't Haredi in Israel...very pro-Israel?

It's quite possible to be Jewish and anti-semitic. Gilad Atzmon, for instance. These people have their own motivation.

Actually, a lot of them are not. They're very "God above everything". They don't support mainstream parties, they don't serve in the military, they sort of have their own little enclaves outside of the main cities. A lot of them have contempt for the on-average secular, moderate, diverse society that is mainstream Israel.
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Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas
Ray Goldfield
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,797


« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2012, 02:34:25 PM »

I am glad there were at least a few people willing to stand up to the Zionists and the religious extremists who want to marginalize atheists.

And being against Zionism (which is harmful to the long term interests of the Jewish people) is not being anti-semitic.

95% of the countries of the world with a significant Jewish population have turned on the Jews at some point. Zionism exists to allow the Jews to determine their own fate and ensure that mass slaughter of Jewish minorities never happens again.

Not every anti-Zionist is anti-semitic, but to be strongly anti-Zionist means that anti-semitism must not be a big concern.

Anti-semetism isn't a societal problem, it's a Jewish problem.

You're right, the ongoing blood vendetta against Jewish existence by a large group of non-Jews is a Jewish problem. And that's why we dealt with it by securing our own country and building a large nuclear arsenal.
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Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas
Ray Goldfield
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,797


« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2012, 03:45:08 PM »

I am glad there were at least a few people willing to stand up to the Zionists and the religious extremists who want to marginalize atheists.

And being against Zionism (which is harmful to the long term interests of the Jewish people) is not being anti-semitic.

95% of the countries of the world with a significant Jewish population have turned on the Jews at some point. Zionism exists to allow the Jews to determine their own fate and ensure that mass slaughter of Jewish minorities never happens again.

Not every anti-Zionist is anti-semitic, but to be strongly anti-Zionist means that anti-semitism must not be a big concern.

Anti-semetism isn't a societal problem, it's a Jewish problem.

You're right, the ongoing blood vendetta against Jewish existence by a large group of non-Jews is a Jewish problem. And that's why we dealt with it by securing our own country and building a large nuclear arsenal.

You mean by stealing the land from the native peoples and turning them into refugees...Roll Eyes

And if Jews are all as tribalistic as you suggest - and they all want to live in Israel - why don't they all just move there?

Point proven.
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Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas
Ray Goldfield
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,797


« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2012, 03:50:02 PM »

This is why comments like NY Jew's are so harmful.

Because by claiming everyday Democrats are anti-semitic, it makes it a lot harder to make the point when people actually are being anti-semitic. And there are plenty of anti-semites on the far-left.
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