The Orgin of Human Life Poll, split by nationality

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Humans evolved from other life forms. More or less advanced is a value judgment and altogether irrelevant to the question at hand.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Either way I sound like a moron and you sound like a fundie. No wonder Mikado left the atheism "faith".

Let's put it another way. Is the truth 'fundamentalist'? Should evolutionary science, genetics, biology, geology, archaeology, history and IIRC about 100-200 branches of science that support evolution and the age of the earth be thrown under a bus to satisfysome Christians who choose not to engage their brain when trying to reconcile our understanding of the world with their faith?

     Every significant branch of science has generated findings that require that the universe be millions if not billions of years old. If the fundamentalist Christians realized the implications of their world view, they'd forgo the use of modern technology and the rest of us would be spared the bother.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Either way I sound like a moron and you sound like a fundie. No wonder Mikado left the atheism "faith".

Let's put it another way. Is the truth 'fundamentalist'? Should evolutionary science, genetics, biology, geology, archaeology, history and IIRC about 100-200 branches of science that support evolution and the age of the earth be thrown under a bus to satisfysome Christians who choose not to engage their brain when trying to reconcile our understanding of the world with their faith?

Whether or not they believe in evolution isn't the same as this. There are Christians that engage their brain a certain way and believe they can reconcile it by questioning the science behind evolution. There are others who just say "because the Bible told me so."  There are Christians that try to understand how their faith can make room for evolution. And then there are others who believe in evolution and don't think deeply about how to reconcile it with their faith. And still others who don't know if evolution is true and don't care.

That's essentially what I said. There are Christians who can reconcile every new understanding of the world with their faith and there are those who try to think around the issues because they choose not to. Therefore we have a number of Christians who invent their own 'science' - evolution isn't real, global warming isn't real, gays can 'change', women aren't 'legitimately raped', studies say this, studies say that. This extends into the social sciences too resulting in the contorting of history and archaeology to suit their means.

Essentially if there is a god and human beings reveal more and more about the world, then these Christians are collectively saying 'f-ck you' to their own gods creation.

     These people have decided a priori that everything in the Bible is true in a literal sense. If their own experience contradicts their understanding of the Bible, they feel that they must reassess their experience rather than their interpretation, because they don't consider the possibility of misunderstanding the Bible. If God appeared before them and said "the Earth is actually 4.6 billion years old", they'd probably just assume that He was actually Satan in disguise.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Blonde Artist, if there is no God, our current model fails because it implies matter and energy created themselves ex nihlio.

     Not really, since atheism makes no claim about how they were created and there is no reason to suppose that creation by nothing and creation by God are the only two options.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Blonde Artist, if there is no God, our current model fails because it implies matter and energy created themselves ex nihlio.

     Not really, since atheism makes no claim about how they were created and there is no reason to suppose that creation by nothing and creation by God are the only two options.

Sure, I merely suggest that "God is the creator of the universe" is both respectable and plausible.

     I wouldn't disagree, though when you have an event whose causes are unknown, probably unknowable, and have no other apparent candidates for agent causes, it is difficult for "God did it" to not be both respectable and plausible.