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The Lord Marbury
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« on: September 08, 2012, 11:39:26 AM »
« edited: September 24, 2012, 01:14:05 PM by The Lord Marbury »

I'm doing a TL very loosely based on the collaborative American Commonwealth thread I sometimes contribute to over at AH.com. I'm not going to start the TL way back then, because my complex knowledge of signigicant political and historical events gets hazier the further back I go. So you can all join me on a trip to an alternate universe, in the oh-so-distant year of 1988. Wink

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The 1988 Federal Election is generally looked back on as one of the real game changers in American politics, especially when you focus on the Liberal Party. The party, which had been looked upon as the natural governing party ever since the 1930s, had been in a period of slow but gradual decline since the 1970s. Many Liberals at the time felt that 1988 would be the election which determined the party's future, and if they lost they would have to face their longest period out of government since the 1920s. Therefore, following their landslide loss in 1984 under the leadership of Walter Mondale, the Liberals decided that it was time for a change by electing the former Premier of Virginia, Chuck Robb, as party leader in 1986. Robb, a centrist and self-described "New Liberal", was a veteran from a traditionally Progressive Conservative leaning state, and at the age of 47 when elected party leader, he was also unusually young for a leader of the Liberal Party. In short, he was everything the previous Liberal leadership wasn't. On the other side of the aisle, the Progressive Conservatives were quite happy with the way things were going. Ronald Reagan was the party's most successful Prime Minister since Harold Stassen, and arguably the most conservative Prime Minister since Calvin Coolidge. But things weren't exactly all sunshine and roses for the Tories. While Reagan was still relatively popular among the public, the Iran-Contra affair had hit his record hard, leading to the resignation of his Defense minister Caspar Weiberger earlier in the year. And of course, as always, the rapidly shrinking group of more centrist or liberal PCs were not happy with how far to the right he was taking the party. But despite all this, the Progressive Conservative Party went into the 1988 election with a fairly united front.
-Excerpt from "Changing Times, American Political History, 1960-2000", published 2002


"A few hours ago, I dropped by Columbia Palace to ask for Governor-General Carter's permission to dissolve Parliament. He graciously agreed to my proposal, and federal election has been scheduled for Tuesday, September 20th. I look forward to a clean and honest campaign about the issues, but in the end I have the highest faith that the American people will choose to reelect this government which has only held their best interests at heart for the past nine years."
-Prime Minister Ronald Reagan, speaking on the steps of 1 America Avenue, August 19th 1988


ROBB CONFIDENT OF LIBERAL GAINS IN UPCOMING ELECTION
-New York Times, August 20th 1988

"Liberal leader Chuck Robb has agreed to the debate format proposed by ABS News, meaning that he will join Prime Minister Ronald Reagan, along Labor Party leader Ted Kennedy, Libertarian leader Ron Paul, and American Heritage leader Pat Buchanan, in the two upcoming party leaders debates, to be aired on ABS One on September 6th and 19th, respectively."
-Dan Rather, ABS Newsnight, August 26th 1988

POLLS SHOWS PROG CONS AHEAD, LIBS STAGNANT
Progressive Conservative - 37,4% - 328 (-23)
Liberal - 32,1% - 262 (+33)
Labor - 9,6% - 42 (-6)
Libertarian - 8,9% - 41 (-7)
American Heritage - 8,2% - 37 (+8)
Other - 3,9%


According to the projected seat totals, the Conservatives would fall well short of a majority government, and the Liberals would gain several seats, but still be unable to come anywhere close to the Conservatives, who in this scenario would be unable to govern by themselves. However they could most likely remain in power by the way of a supply and confidence, or coalition deal with either the Libertarians or American Heritage.
America Today, August 26th 1988
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2012, 12:14:21 PM »
« Edited: September 09, 2012, 07:44:10 AM by The Lord Marbury »

Leaders of the Major Political Parties, as of 1988

Ronald Reagan
-Member of the Liberal Party (-1967)
-Member of the Progressive Conservative Party (1967-present)
-Member of the House of Commons for Hollywood-Los Angeles (1970-present)
-Minister of Culture, Sports and Media, Cabinet of Richard Nixon (1970-1972)
-Minister of Infrastructure, Cabinet of Richard Nixon (1972-1973)
-Minister of Veterans Affairs, Cabinet of Nelson Rockefeller (1973-1974)
-Shadow Minister of Energy, Shadow Cabinet of Nelson Rockefeller (1974-1977)
-Leader of the Progressive Conservative Party (1977-present)
-Leader of Her Majesty's Official Opposition (1977-1979)
-Prime Minister of the American Commonwealth (1979-present)


Chuck Robb
-Member of the Liberal Party
-Member of the Legislative Assembly of Virginia (1973-1986)
-Leader of the Virginia Liberal Party (1975-1986)
-Premier of Virginia (1977-1986)
-Leader of the Liberal Party (1986-present)
-Member of the House of Commons for Richmond (1986-present)
-Leader of Her Majesty's Official Opposition (1986-present)


Ted Kennedy
-Member of the Labor Party
-Member of the Legislative Assembly of Massachusetts (1965-1984)
-Leader of the Massachusetts Labor Party (1969-1984)
-Premier of Massachusetts (1970-1984)
-Member of the House of Commons for Lynn-Suffolk (1984-present)
-Leader of the Labor Party (1985-present)


Ron Paul
-Member of the Progressive Conservative Party (1958-1969)
-Member of the Libertarian Party (1969-present)
-Member of the House of Commons for Galveston (1974-present)
-Deputy Leader of the Libertarian Party (1980-1987)
-Leader of the Libertarian Party (1987-present)


Pat Buchanan
-Member of the Progressive Conservative Party (1962-1973)
-Member of the American Heritage Party (1973-present)
-Member of the House of Commons for Roanoke (1970-present)
-Deputy Leader of the American Heritage Party (1975-1986)
-Leader of the American Heritage Party (1986-present)



2nd Cabinet of Ronald Reagan (1984-1988)

Prime Minister: The Rt. Hon. Ronald Reagan (Prog Con.)
Deputy Prime Minister: The Rt. Hon. George H. W. Bush (Prog Con.)

Minister of Foreign Affairs: The Rt. Hon. George H. W. Bush (Prog Con.)
Minister of Finance: The Rt. Hon. Jack Kemp (Prog Con.)
Minister of Defense: The Rt. Hon. Jeane Kirkpatrick (Prog Con.)
Minister of Justice: The Rt. Hon. Pierre S. du Pont IV (Prog Con.)
Minister of Interior Affairs: The Rt. Hon. Dick Cheney (Prog Con.)
Minister of Trade, Industry and Business: The Rt. Hon. Paul Laxalt (Prog Con.)
Minister of Labor and Employment: The Rt. Hon. Brian Mulroney (Prog Con.)
Minister of Health and Social Affairs: The Rt. Hon. Howard Baker (Prog Con.)
Minister of Education: The Rt. Hon. Mark Hatfield (Prog Con.)
Minister of Energy: The Rt. Hon. Jean Charest (Prog Con.)
Minister of Agriculture and Food: The Rt. Hon. Robert Dole (Prog Con.)
Minister of Transportation: The Rt. Hon. Phil Crane (Prog Con.)
Minister of Infrastructure and Housing: The Rt. Hon. John Chaffee (Prog Con.)
Minister of Veterans Affairs: The Rt. Hon. John McCain (Prog Con.)
Minister of Aboriginal Affairs: The Rt. Hon. Alan Simpson (Prog Con.)
Minister of Culture, Sports and Media: The Rt. Hon. Kim Campbell (Prog Con.)

Minister without Portfolio: The Rt. Hon. Charles Percy (Prog Con.)

Leader of the Government in the House of Commons: The Rt. Hon. Robert Michel (Prog Con.)
Leader of the Government in the Senate: The Rt. Hon. Senator John Connally (Prog Con.)
Government Chief Whip in the House of Commons: The Rt. Hon. Newt Gingrich (Prog Con.)
Government Chief Whip in the Senate: The Rt. Hon. Senator Orrin Hatch (Prog Con.)


Chuck Robb Shadow Cabinet, as of August 1988

Leader of the Opposition: The Rt. Hon. Chuck Robb (Lib.)
Deputy Leader of the Opposition: The Rt. Hon. Al Gore (Lib.)

Shadow Minister of Foreign Affairs: The Rt. Hon. Lloyd Bentsen (Lib.)
Shadow Minister of Finance: The Rt. Hon. Paul Simon (Lib.)
Shadow Minister of Defense: The Rt. Hon. John Glenn (Lib.)
Shadow Minister of Justice: The Rt. Hon. Jerry Brown (Lib.)
Shadow Minister of Interior Affairs: The Rt. Hon. Gary Hart (Lib.)
Shadow Minister of Trade, Industry and Business: The Rt. Hon. Tom Foley (Lib.)
Shadow Minister of Labor and Employment: The Rt. Hon. Robert Byrd (Lib.)
Shadow Minister of Health and Social Affairs: The Rt. Hon. Jean Chrétien (Lib.)
Shadow Minister of Education: The Rt. Hon. John Kerry (Lib.)
Shadow Minister of Energy: The Rt. Hon. Al Gore (Lib.)
Shadow Minister of Agriculture and Food: The Rt. Hon. Max Baucus (Lib.)
Shadow Minister of Transportation: The Rt. Hon. Dick Gephardt (Lib.)
Shadow Minister of Infrastructure and Housing: The Rt. Hon. Geraldine Ferraro (Lib.)
Shadow Minister of Veterans Affairs: The Rt. Hon. Alan Cranston (Lib.)
Shadow Minister of Aboriginal Affairs: The Rt. Hon. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (Lib.)
Shadow Minister of Culture, Sports and Media: The Rt. Hon. John Turner (Lib.)

Shadow Minister without Portfolio: The Rt. Hon. Barbara B. Kennelly (Lib.)

Opposition Leader in the House of Commons: The Rt. Hon. Jim Wright (Lib.)
Opposition Leader in the Senate: The Rt. Hon. Senator Terry Sanford (Lib.)
Opposition Chief Whip in the House of Commons: The Rt. Hon. Ralph Goodale (Lib.)
Opposition Chief Whip in the Senate: The Rt. Hon. Senator Jim Sasser (Lib.)
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2012, 12:46:09 PM »

Oh boy that's going to be epic.
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2012, 03:38:46 PM »


^

Truly awesome stuff man.  Keep it up!  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2012, 03:49:48 PM »

This is amazing. Keep up the amazing work Smiley The great amount of detail in the first post alone is indicative of this timelines future.
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2012, 04:17:26 PM »

Thanks a lot for all the encouragement guys! Cheesy I'm working on the next update right now, which will cover the first debate, and I'm hoping to have it up either later tonight (it's almost 11:30 here), or some time tomorrow.
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2012, 05:09:45 PM »

Looks gun.
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2012, 05:19:16 PM »

This looks friggin' awesome. Will we see a back-story at some point?
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2012, 05:49:17 PM »

I will be posting a list of Prime Ministers and important historical events later on, however it won't be extremely detailed, just a basic short summary of events, since I mostly want to focus on the events from 1988 and onwards.
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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2012, 06:10:52 PM »

Looking forward to it!
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2012, 03:34:16 AM »
« Edited: September 11, 2012, 07:17:52 AM by The Lord Marbury »

While I polish the next update (fix typos, etc.), here's this:

Prime Ministers of the American Commonwealth
1. Sir Benjamin Franklin (1785-1791), cross-bencher; died in office
2. Joseph Galloway (1791-1795), Tory
3. Edmund Randolph (1795-1799), Tory
4. Albert Gallatin (1799-1807), Whig
5. James Madison (1807-1816), Whig
6. William Crawford (1816-1821), Whig,
7. Sir Henry Clay (1821-1827), Whig, then Liberal minority government
8. John Calhoun (1827-1839), Tory
9. Sir Henry Clay (1839-1847), Liberal
10. Lewis Cass (1847-1853), Tory
11. William A. Graham (1853-1855), Liberal-Liberty coalition
12. James Buchanan (1855-1859), Tory
13. Schuyler Colfax (1859-1862), Liberal; assassinated
14. Sir Abraham Lincoln (1862-1876), Liberal
15. Sir John A. MacDonald (1862-1885), Tory-National coalition, then Conservative
16. James Garfield (1885-1891), Liberal
17. Adlai Stevenson (1891-1899), Liberal
18. William McKinley (1899-1902), Liberal; assassinated
19. Thomas B. Reed (1902-1904), Liberal; died in office
20. Wilfrid Laurier (1904-1905), Liberal
21. Robert Borden (1905-1911), Conservative
22. Sir Theodore Roosevelt (1911-1920), Liberal, then Liberal-Farmer Labor coalition
23. Charles Evans Hughes (1920-1921), Liberal-Farmer Labor coalition
24. Calvin Coolidge (1921-1933), Conservative
25. Sir William Lyon Mackenzie King (1933-1946), Liberal
26. Claude Pepper (1946-1951), Liberal, then Liberal-Labor coalition
27. Harold Stassen (1951-1960), Progressive Conservative
28. Lyndon B. Johnson (1960-1970), Liberal
29. Richard M. Nixon (1970-1973), Progressive Conservative minority, then Progressive Conservative majority
30. Nelson Rockefeller (1973-1974), Progressive Conservative
31. Edmund Muskie (1974-1979), Liberal-Labor coalition
32. Ronald Reagan (1979-present), Conservative, with supply and confidence from Libertarians


Governor-Generals of the America Commonwealth
1. William Howe, 5th Viscount Howe (1785-1793)
2. Charles Grey, 1st Earl Grey (1793-1806), died in office
3. George Prévost, 1st Baronet (1806-1814)
4. Isaac Brock (1814-1824)
5. George Ramsey, 9th Earl of Dalhousie (1824-1830)
6. Matthew Withforth-Aylmer, 5th Baron Aylmer (1830-1834)
7. Archibald Acheson, 2nd Earl of Godford (1834-1836)
8. Charles Poulett Thomson, 1st Baron Syndenham (1836-1841)
9. Charles Bagot (1841-1843), died in office
10. James Bruce, 8th Earl of Elgin (1843-1855)
11. Edmund Lyons, 1st Baron Lyons (1855-1858)
12. Edmund Walker Head, 8th Baronet (1858-1865)
13. Prince George, Duke of Cambridge (1865-1885)
14. Frederick Stanley, 16th Earl of Derby (1885-1893)
15. George Robinson, 1st Marquess of Ripon (1893-1901)
16. Albert Grey, 4th Earl Grey (1901-1908)
17. Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught (1908-1919)
18. Sir John J. Pershing (1919-1934)
19. Franklin D. Roosevelt (1934-1943)
20. Herbert Hoover (1943-1947)
21. Dwight Eisenhower, 1st Duke of Pointe du Hoc (1947-1963)
22. Joseph P. Kennedy, 2nd Duke of Suffolk (1963-1969), died in office
23. Henry M. Jackson (1969-1974)
24. Gerald Ford (1974-1979)
25. James E. Carter (1979-present)


A lot of credit for this goes to lord cadeus over at AH.com, who came up with most of the pre-1900 officeholders.
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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2012, 07:04:05 AM »
« Edited: September 10, 2012, 11:24:27 AM by The Lord Marbury »

ROBB STUMBLES, REAGAN SHINES IN FIRST DEBATE
The New York Times, September 7th 1988

Following the first party leaders debate held yesterday, most political commentators, backed up by overnight polling, agree that Reagan was the big winner of the night while Liberal leader Chuck Robb was largely a disappointment. The poor performance of Robb was a bit of a surprise, considering how the consistently strong performance he has delivered at PMQs, however Liberal Party spokespersons attribute this to Robb being new to the format of the televised debates, and that he was going up against Ronald Reagan, who's real strength lies in big public debates, and not PMQs like Robb. One big star of the night, aside from Reagan, was former Massachusetts Premier and current Labor Party leader Ted Kennedy who attacked both Robb and Reagan for "letting the working class and the poor down".

Selected quotes from the leaders' closing statements:


"This Prime Minister is just all talk. Sure he can talk about how believes in preserving traditional American values, but does he act? No! When a young woman can just walk into a so-called 'Doctor's' office and murder an unborn child, does your Prime Minister do anything about it? No! When our children aren't being brought up with the traditional values which will help them function in adult life, is your Prime Minister doing anything about it? No! When sodomy and other deviant behavior is being committed in an affront to the Christian morals our nation is founded upon, does your Prime Minister do anything about it? Of course not! Instead, he encourages it! America needs a Government which isn't all talk. America needs a government which will never stop defending our nations great values of Queen, God, and Country, no matter what happens."
-American Heritage Party leader Pat Buchanan


"It's time for someone in this room to just come out and say it. There's way too much wasteful and plain useless spending in this country. The Government can sure talk about fiscal responsibility, but then they just go on and do the same as the Liberals who came before them, just spend away at bridges to nowhere, leading to the ballooning deficit we have to live with now. We have a strong military highly capable of defending our borders from foreign aggression, but yet the government insists on useless pork barrel spending, we have a robust business world which could be even better than they are today, but the government insists on holding them down with suffocating regulations. Well I say enough is enough, it is long overdue that we stop throwing away the hard earned money of American citizes, at pointless projects. It is time for us to give that money back to the only people who really know how to use it wisely: the American people.
-Libertarian Party leader Ron Paul


"For too long we've had a government which cares about nothing else but it's Wall Street buddies and big business cronies, and the American people are sick of it. It's time for real change here in Philadelphia, it's time for someone to stand up for auto worker who's been fired after working for 30 years, it's time for someone to stand up for the high school graduate who can't afford to get into college, it's time for someone to stand up for the single mother who is struggling to make ends meet. It's time for a government that works for the people, not against them."
-Labor Party leader Ted Kennedy


"It's been nine years since Ronald Reagan came into to office, and sure, in the beginning people were all very enthusiastic about him, but now look at him. He and the rest of his party are just standing still, talking about what has been done, not what can be done, all while the budget deficit is grower bigger and bigger, dragging our country into serious debt. We need a change here in Philadelphia, we need a government which will not only take responsibility for our nation's needs in this rapidly changing world, but also take responsibility for solving today's issues today, instead of placing the results of our recklessness on the shoulders of our children and our grandchildren."
-Leader of the Opposition Chuck Robb (Lib.)


"You know, I've been standing here tonight and faced attacks and complaints from all the other party leaders up on stage here with me, but I find it kind of funny how in the midst of all the attacks on my government, we haven't seen any kind of real tangible proposals coming from all the guys up here with me. Oh sure, there's big talk and lofty goals in there, but like my former opponents Mr. Mondale said to me four years ago, 'where's the beef?' Look people, I'm going to be honest with you. My government isn't the best, isn't the smartest, and sure isn't the prettiest in the world, and mistakes have of course been made along the road, because we are just only human. But I remember nine years ago when I debated Prime Minister Muskie during the 1979 campaign, and I asked the question: "Are you better off than you were five years ago?". Well America, on September 20th I would like you to ask yourselves if you are better off today than you were nine years ago? If you are, then I know in my heart that you will vote for us, because the Progressive Conservative Party is the only party which will ensure that you will be better off the five years after that, and the five years after that, and the five years after that. Because the Progressive Conservative Party is not only the right party to bring all of us into the next decade, it is also the right party to bring us into the next millennium."
-Prime Minister Ronald Reagan (Prog Con.)


API Opinion Polling - "Who would you say 'won' the first party leaders debate?"
Reagan - 46%
Kennedy - 25%
Robb - 15%
Buchanan - 7%
Paul - 7%

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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2012, 08:03:42 AM »

This looks awesome.
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2012, 08:11:08 AM »


Thanks! Cheesy
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2012, 08:11:36 AM »

Leaders of the Liberal Party
1. Sir Henry Clay (1824-1852), died in office
2. William A. Graham (1852-1857)
3. William Seward (1857-1862), assassinated
4. Sir Abraham Lincoln (1862-1880)
5. James Garfield (1880-1891)
6. Adlai Stevenson (1891-1899)
7. William McKinley (1899-1902), assassinated
8. Thomas B. Reed (1902-1904), died in office
9. Wilfrid Laurier (1904-1908)
10. Theodore Roosevelt (1908-1920)
11. Charles Evans Hughes (1920-1926)
12. William Lyon Mackenzie King (1926-1946)
13. Claude Pepper (1946-1955)
14. Lyndon B. Johnson (1955-1971)
15. Edmund Muskie (1971-1980)
16. Walter Mondale (1980-1986)
17. Chuck Robb (1986-present)


Leaders of the Conservative Party
1. Sir John A. MacDonald (1869-1891), died in office
2. Grover Cleveland (1894-1904)
3. Robert Borden (1907-1918)
4. Calvin Coolidge (1918-1933), died in office
5. John Nance Garner (1933-1942) [1]


Leaders of the Progressive Conservative Party
1. Thomas E. Dewey (1942-1950)
2. Harold Stassen (1950-1963)
3. Richard M. Nixon (1963-1973)
4. Gerald Ford (1973), interim
5. Nelson Rockefeller (1973-1977)
6. Ronald Reagan (1977-present)


Leaders of the Labor Party
1. Eugene V. Debs (1901-1924)
2. Norman Thomas (1924-1937)
3. Henry A. Wallace (1937-1954)
4. Glen H. Taylor (1954-1962)
5. Martin Luther King (1962-1968)
6. Birch Bayh (1968-1973)
7. Ron Dellums (1973-1985)
8. Ted Kennedy (1985-present)


Leaders of the Libertarian Party
1. Barry Goldwater (1969-1986)
2. Ron Paul (1986-present)


Leaders of the Southern People's Party
1. Strom Thurmond (1948-1966) [2]

Leaders of the American Heritage Party
1. Strom Thurmond (1966-1973)
2. Lester Maddox (1973-1986)
3. Pat Buchanan (1986-present)



[1] After the Conservatives lose seats despite being in opposition for the second time in a row, a group of reform minded members of the party rebel against the leadership of John Nance Garner and the rest of the high ranking members of the party. Garner tries to hang on, but is ousted in an extremely close leadership election which puts Thomas Dewey, leader of the reformist wing, in power. After he and his acolytes gain power of Conservative Party, they start to embrace the majority of the most popular reforms put into place by the Liberals, and change the party's name to the Progressive Conservative Party in order to present a new image to the voters.

[2] The leaders of the Southern People's Party make a joint decision to try and ensure the party's survival by expanding into other parts of the country, and in order to wash of the image of only being a Southern interests party, they change the party's name to the American Heritage Party and reinvent themselves as more of a mainstream socially conservative party which doesn't only focus on the issue of segregation.
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2012, 08:20:17 AM »

You got LBJ as Prog Con in the PM list.
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2012, 08:21:35 AM »

You got LBJ as Prog Con in the PM list.

Thanks for the heads up, I've got it fixed now.
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2012, 12:38:58 PM »

Great updates! I really enjoyed the debates. This is an amazing timeline! Keep up the amazing work Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2012, 02:10:43 PM »

Great updates! I really enjoyed the debates. This is an amazing timeline! Keep up the amazing work Smiley

Well it's good that you liked it. Smiley The next update will be up tomorrow, and in the meanwhile I'm going to post a map to give you an impression of what the American Commonwealth looks like ITTL, and I'm also working on a list of senators.
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2012, 02:14:39 PM »

Here's the map, with a complete list of Provinces and Territories below.


1. Province of Newfoundland and Labrador
2. Province of Canada
3. Province of St. John's
4. Province of Nova Scotia
5. Province of Maine
6. Province of New Hampshire
7. Province of Vermont
8. Province of Massachusetts
9. Province of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations
10. Province of Connecticut
11. Province of New York
12. Province of New Jersey
13. Province of Pennsylvania
14. Province of Delaware
15. Province of Maryland
16. Province of Virginia
17. Province of North Carolina
18. Province of South Carolina
19. Province of Georgia
20. Province of East Florida
21. Province of West Florida
22. Province of Alabama
23. Province of Mississippi
24. Province of Louisiana
25. Province of Arkansas
26. Province of Tennessee
27. Province of Kentucky
28. Province of Missouri
29. Province of Illinois
30. Province of Indiana
31. Province of Ohio
32. Province of Wisconsin
33. Province of Michigan
34. Province of Ontario
35. Province of Hudson
36. Province of Minnesota
37. Province of Iowa
38. Province of Texas
39. Province of Sequoyah
40. Province of Kansas
41. Province of Nebraska
42. Province of Dakota
43. Province of Manitoba
44. Province of Saskatchewan
45. Province of Montana
46. Province of Wyoming
47. Province of Colorado
48. Province of Arizuma
49. Province of Utah
50. Province of Nevada
51. Province of California
52. Province of Oregon
53. Province of British Columbia
54. Province of Alberta
55. Province of Alaska
56. Province of Hawaii
57. Province of the Bahamas
58. Province of Jamaica
59. Province of Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands
60. Ungava Territory
61. Nunavut Territory
62. Northwest Territories
63. Yukon Territory
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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2012, 02:59:16 PM »

Great so far!
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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2012, 05:26:33 AM »
« Edited: September 12, 2012, 10:39:25 AM by The Lord Marbury »

The next update will be up in a few hours, but in the meanwhile, here's the complete list of Senators for future reference.

Alabama
-George C. Wallace (Liberal), since 1972
-Howell Heflin (Liberal), since 1979


Alaska
-Ted Stevens (Progressive Conservative, since 1974
-Jay Hammond (Progressive Conservative), since 1981


Alberta
-Bud Olson (Liberal), since 1978
-Peter Lougheed (Progressive Conservative), since 1985


Arizuma
-Mo Udall (Liberal), since 1978
-Manuel Lujan, Jr. (Progressive Conservative), since 1983


Arkansas
-David Hampton Pryor (Liberal), since 1975
-John Paul Hammerschmidt (Progressive Conservative), since 1984


Bahamas
-Clifford Darling (Liberal), since 1974
-Lynden Pindling (Liberal), since 1987


British Columbia
-Dave Barrett (Labor), since 1979
-Daniel J. Evans (Progressive Conservative), since 1984


California
-Pat Brown (Liberal), since 1967
-Robert Finch (Progressive Conservative), since 1971


Canada
-Pierre Trudeau (Liberal), since 1976
-Paul David (Progressive Conservative), since 1985


Colorado
-John Arthur Love (Progressive Conservative), since 1973
-William L. Armstrong (Progressive Conservative), since 1986

Connecticut
-John N. Dempsey (Liberal), since 1968
-Ronald A. Sarasin (Progressive Conservative), 1982

Dakota
-John E. Davis (Progressive Conservative), since 1970
-George McGovern (Labor), since 1975


Delaware
-Russell W. Peterson (Progressive Conservative), since 1981
-William V. Roth, Jr. (Progressive Conservative), since 1984


East Florida
-Jack Edwards (Progressive Conservative), since 1979
-Earl Dewitt Hutto (Liberal), since 1987


Georgia
-John James Flynt, Jr. (Liberal), since 1975
-Lester Maddox (American Heritage), since 1986


Hawaii
-William F. Quinn (Progressive Conservative), since 1959
-Spark Matsunaga (Labor), since 1969


Hudson
-Rhéal Bélisle (Progressive Conservative), since 1960
-Saul Laskin (Liberal), since 1974

Illinois
-Richard M. Daley (Liberal), since 1976
-John B. Anderson (Independent), since 1981*

*Anderson left the Progressive Conservative Party to sit as an Independent, in 1987

Indiana
-Edgar Whitcomb (Progressive Conservative), since 1974
-Birch Bayh (Labor), since 1979

Iowa
-Roger Jepsen (Progressive Conservative), since 1972
-Neal Edward Smith (Liberal), since 1974


Jamaica
-Hugh Shearer (Jamaica Labour/Progressive Conservative), since 1974*
-Michael Manley (People's National/Labor), since 1985*


*Shearer sits as a member of the Jamaica Labour Party, but caucuses with the Progressive Conservatives, while Manley sits as a member of the People's National Party, but caucuses with the Labor Party.

Kansas
-William H. Avery (Progressive Conservative), since 1971
-Garner E. Shriver (Progressive Conservative), since 1980


Kentucky
-Wendell H. Ford (Liberal), since 1975
-Gene Snyder (Progressive Conservative), since 1987


Louisiana
-John McKeithen (Liberal), since 1979
-Paul Hardy (Progressive Conservative), since 1988


Maine
-Kenneth M. Curtis (Liberal), since 1975
-David F. Emery (Progressive Conservative), since 1986


Manitoba
-Joseph-Philippe Guay (Liberal), since 1979
-Dean Whiteway (Progressive Conservative), since 1981


Maryland
-Marvin Mandel (Liberal), since 1978
-Marjorie Hold (Progressive Conservative), since 1982


Massachusetts
-Tip O'Neill (Liberal), since 1978
-Elliot Richardson (Progressive Conservative), since 1983


Michigan
-George W. Romney (Progressive Conservative), since 1970
-William D. Ford (Liberal), since 1978


Minnesota
-Alexander M. Keith (Liberal), since 1975
-Al Quie (Progressive Conservative), since 1984


Mississippi
-Thad Cochran (Progressive Conservative), since 1985
-Bill Waller (Liberal), since 1978

Missouri
-William C. Phelps (Progressive Conservative), since 1982
-Thomas Eagleton (Liberal), since 1977


Montana
-Mike Mansfield (Liberal), since 1961
-Tim M. Babcock (Progressive Conservative), since 1970


Nebraska
-Norbert Tieman (Progressive Conservative), since 1974
-Virginia Smith (Progressive Conservative), since 1986

Nevada
-Howard Cannon (Liberal), since 1975
-Bob Cashell (Progressive Conservative), since 1988

Newfoundland & Labrador
-Frederick William Rowe (Liberal), since 1969
-Jack Marshall (Progressive Conservative), since 1979


New Hampshire
-Thomas J. McIntyre (Liberal), since 1968
-Walter R. Peterson, Jr. (Progressive Conservative), since 1980


New Jersey
-William T. Cahill (Progressive Conservative), since 1974
-William J. Hughes (Liberal), since 1978


New York
-Malcolm Wilson (Progressive Conservative), since 1972
-John Lindsay (Liberal), since 1979


North Carolina
-Terry Sanford (Liberal), since 1970
-Robert W. Scott (Liberal), since 1978


Nova Scotia
-Charles McElman (Liberal), since 1967
-Robert Stanfield (Progressive Conservative), since 1980


Ohio
-John William Brown (Progressive Conservative), since 1974
-Lud Ashley (Liberal), since 1977


Ontario
-Edgar Benson (Liberal), since 1977
-David Crombie (Progressive Conservative), since 1986


Oregon
-Howell Appling, Jr. (Progressive Conservative), since 1972
-Robert B. Duncan (Liberal), since 1978


Pennsylvania
-Ernest Kline (Liberal), since 1978
-Richard Schweicker (Progressive Conservative), since 1981


Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands
-Roberto Sánchez Viella (Labor), since 1975
-Hamilton Lavity Stoutt (Progressive Conservative), since 1983


Rhode Island
-Claiborne Pell (Liberal), since 1969
-Fernand St. Germain (Liberal), since 1978


Saskatchewan
-David Steuart (Liberal), since 1976
-Lorne Nystrom (Labor), since 1979


Sequoyah
-David Hall (Liberal), since 1975
-Henry Bellmon (Progressive Conservative), since 1982


South Carolina
-Ernest Hollings (Liberal), since 1976
-Strom Thurmond (American Heritage), since 1985


St. John's
-Alex Campbell (Liberal), since 1979
-Heath MacQuarrie (Progressive Conservative), since 1983


Tennessee
-Jim Sasser (Liberal), since 1978
-Winfield Dunn (Progressive Conservative), since 1982


Texas
-John Connally (Progressive Conservative), since 1967*
-Ralph Yarborough (Liberal), since 1978


*Connally previously sat as a Liberal, but he switched party affiliations to Progressive Conservative in 1971.

Utah
-Calvin L. Rampton (Liberal), since 1976
-Orrin Hatch (Progressive Conservative), since 1981


Vermont
-F. Ray Keyser, Jr. (Progressive Conservative), since 1970
-Robert Stafford (Progressive Conservative), since 1980


Virginia
-Hulett C. Smith (Liberal), since 1976
-Miles E. Godwin, Jr. (Progressive Conservative), since 1982

West Florida
-Jim Williams (Liberal), since 1977
-Louis A. Bafalis (Progressive Conservative), since 1985


Wisconsin
-Patrick Lucey (Liberal), since 1978
-Bob Kasten (Progressive Conservative), since 1987


Wyoming
-Teno Roncalio (Liberal), since 1976
-Gale W. McGee (Liberal), since 1978


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Northwest Territories
-Gordon Wray (Independent), since 1984

Nunavut Territory
-Jack Anawak (Liberal), since 1987

Ungava Territory
-Armand Caouette (Independent-Progressive Conservative), since 1984

Yukon Territory
-Erik Nielsen (Progressive Conservative), since 1986

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The American Senate ITTL is very much like the Canadian one IOTL when it comes to the amount of power it is capable of excercising, with the biggest differences being that very province has two senators each, like the US Senate IOTL, with each territory having one. Also, unlike the Canadian Senate, there's no obligatory retirement age of 75 for Senators in the American one.
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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2012, 11:29:08 AM »

PROG CON. LEAD HOLDING STEADY, LAB GOES UP AT EXPENSE OF LIBS, IN LATEST POLLS
-The American Post, September 9th 1988

API Opinion Polling - Which party would you vote for if the election was held today?
Progressive Conservatives - 37,7% (+0,3%)
Liberals - 29,7% (-2,4%)
Labor - 12,0% (+2,4%)
Libertarians - 8,4% (-0,5%)
American Heritage - 8,4% (+0,3%)
Others/Undecided - 3,8% (-0,1%)


DEMOCRATS REELECTED IN UK ELECTIONS, LABOUR REACHES RECORD LOW
While we Americans have been following our very own election campaign for the past few weeks, it can be easy to forget that the Brits had their very own election season going on as well. In yesterdays general election, the Democrats, formerly known as the SDP-Liberal Alliance prior to the merger of the two parties, were reelected easily under the leadership of Prime Minister Shirley Williams. The Conservatives, led by Margaret Thatcher, came in second, while the Labour Party under the leadership of Tony Benn, came in a distant third. The Democrats attained just over 40% of the popular vote, however due to the implementation of Mixed-Member Proportional Representation, the same voting system used here in America, the Dems fell just short of an outright majority. However it is expected that the party will achieve a workable majority in the House of Commons by aligning itself with minor parties such as the Green Party, or nationalist parties like the SNP or Plaid Cymru.
The New York Times, September 9th 1988

United Kingdom General Election, 1988
Democrat (Shirley Williams) - 40,3% - 331 seats
Conservative (Margaret Thatcher) - 30,7% -197 seats
Labour (Tony Benn) -  17,4% - 102 seats
Green (Sara Parkin) - 6% - 24 seats
Other/Nationalist - 4,6% - 16 seats
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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2012, 11:37:09 AM »

The next update will be up in a few hours, but in the meanwhile, here's the complete list of Senators for future reference.

Alabama
-George C. Wallace (Liberal), since 1972
-Howell Heflin (Liberal), since 1979


Alaska
-Ted Stevens (Progressive Conservative, since 1974
-Jay Hammond (Progressive Conservative), since 1981


Alberta
-Bud Olson (Liberal), since 1978
-Peter Lougheed (Progressive Conservative), since 1985


Arizuma
-Mo Udall (Liberal), since 1978
-Manuel Lujan, Jr. (Progressive Conservative), since 1983


Arkansas
-David Hampton Pryor (Liberal), since 1975
-John Paul Hammerschmidt (Progressive Conservative), since 1984


Bahamas
-Clifford Darling (Liberal), since 1974
-Lynden Pindling (Liberal), since 1987


British Columbia
-Dave Barrett (Labor), since 1979
-Daniel J. Evans (Progressive Conservative), since 1984


California
-Pat Brown (Liberal), since 1967
-Robert Finch (Progressive Conservative), since 1971


Canada
-Pierre Trudeau (Liberal), since 1976
-Paul David (Progressive Conservative), since 1985


Colorado
-John Arthur Love (Progressive Conservative), since 1973
-William L. Armstrong (Progressive Conservative), since 1986

Connecticut
-John N. Dempsey (Liberal), since 1968
-Ronald A. Sarasin (Progressive Conservative), 1982

Dakota
-John E. Davis (Progressive Conservative), since 1970
-George McGovern (Labor), since 1975


Delaware
-Russell W. Peterson (Progressive Conservative), since 1981
-William V. Roth, Jr. (Progressive Conservative), since 1984


East Florida
-Jack Edwards (Progressive Conservative), since 1979
-Earl Dewitt Hutto (Liberal), since 1987


Georgia
-John James Flynt, Jr. (Liberal), since 1975
-Lester Maddox (American Heritage), since 1986


Hawaii
-William F. Quinn (Progressive Conservative), since 1959
-Spark Matsunaga (Labor), since 1969


Hudson
-Rhéal Bélisle (Progressive Conservative), since 1960
-Saul Laskin (Liberal), since 1974

Illinois
-Richard M. Daley (Liberal), since 1976
-John B. Anderson (Independent), since 1981*

*Anderson left the Progressive Conservative Party to sit as an Independent, in 1987

Indiana
-Edgar Whitcomb (Progressive Conservative), since 1974
-Birch Bayh (Labor), since 1979

Iowa
-Roger Jepsen (Progressive Conservative), since 1972
-Neal Edward Smith (Liberal), since 1974


Kansas
-William H. Avery (Progressive Conservative), since 1971
-Garner E. Shriver (Progressive Conservative), since 1980


Kentucky
-Wendell H. Ford (Liberal), since 1975
-Gene Snyder (Progressive Conservative), since 1987


Louisiana
-John McKeithen (Liberal), since 1979
-Paul Hardy (Progressive Conservative), since 1988


Maine
-Kenneth M. Curtis (Liberal), since 1975
-David F. Emery (Progressive Conservative), since 1986


Manitoba
-Joseph-Philippe Guay (Liberal), since 1979
-Dean Whiteway (Progressive Conservative), since 1981


Maryland
-Marvin Mandel (Liberal), since 1978
-Marjorie Hold (Progressive Conservative), since 1982


Massachusetts
-Tip O'Neill (Liberal), since 1978
-Elliot Richardson (Progressive Conservative), since 1983


Michigan
-George W. Romney (Progressive Conservative), since 1970
-William D. Ford (Liberal), since 1978


Minnesota
-Alexander M. Keith (Liberal), since 1975
-Al Quie (Progressive Conservative), since 1984


Mississippi
-Thad Cochran (Progressive Conservative), since 1985
-Bill Waller (Liberal), since 1978

Missouri
-William C. Phelps (Progressive Conservative), since 1982
-Thomas Eagleton (Liberal), since 1977


Montana
-Mike Mansfield (Liberal), since 1961
-Tim M. Babcock (Progressive Conservative), since 1970


Nebraska
-Norbert Tieman (Progressive Conservative), since 1974
-Virginia Smith (Progressive Conservative), since 1986

Nevada
-Howard Cannon (Liberal), since 1975
-Bob Cashell (Progressive Conservative), since 1988

Newfoundland & Labrador
-Frederick William Rowe (Liberal), since 1969
-Jack Marshall (Progressive Conservative), since 1979


New Hampshire
-Thomas J. McIntyre (Liberal), since 1968
-Walter R. Peterson, Jr. (Progressive Conservative), since 1980


New Jersey
-William T. Cahill (Progressive Conservative), since 1974
-William J. Hughes (Liberal), since 1978


New York
-Malcolm Wilson (Progressive Conservative), since 1972
-John Lindsay (Liberal), since 1979


North Carolina
-Terry Sanford (Liberal), since 1970
-Robert W. Scott (Liberal), since 1978


Nova Scotia
-Charles McElman (Liberal), since 1967
-Robert Stanfield (Progressive Conservative), since 1974


Ohio
-John William Brown (Progressive Conservative), since 1974
-Lud Ashley (Liberal), since 1977


Oregon
-Howell Appling, Jr. (Progressive Conservative), since 1972
-Robert B. Duncan (Liberal), since 1978


Pennsylvania
-Ernest Kline (Liberal), since 1978
-Richard Schweicker (Progressive Conservative), since 1981


Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands
-Roberto Sánchez Viella (Labor), since 1975
-Hamilton Lavity Stoutt (Progressive Conservative), since 1983


Rhode Island
-Claiborne Pell (Liberal), since 1969
-Fernand St. Germain (Liberal), since 1978


Saskatchewan
-David Steuart (Liberal), since 1976
-Lorne Nystrom (Labor), since 1979


Sequoyah
-David Hall (Liberal), since 1975
-Henry Bellmon (Progressive Conservative), since 1982


South Carolina
-Ernest Hollings (Liberal), since 1976
-Strom Thurmond (American Heritage), since 1985


St. John's
-Alex Campbell (Liberal), since 1979
-Heath MacQuarrie (Progressive Conservative), since 1983


Tennessee
-Jim Sasser (Liberal), since 1978
-Winfield Dunn (Progressive Conservative), since 1982


Texas
-John Connally (Progressive Conservative), since 1967*
-Ralph Yarborough (Liberal), since 1978


*Connally previously sat as a Liberal, but he switched party affiliations to Progressive Conservative in 1971.

Utah
-Calvin L. Rampton (Liberal), since 1976
-Orrin Hatch (Progressive Conservative), since 1981


Vermont
-F. Ray Keyser, Jr. (Progressive Conservative), since 1970
-Robert Stafford (Progressive Conservative), since 1980


Virginia
-Hulett C. Smith (Liberal), since 1976
-Miles E. Godwin, Jr. (Progressive Conservative), since 1982

West Florida
-Jim Williams (Liberal), since 1977
-Louis A. Bafalis (Progressive Conservative), since 1985


Wisconsin
-Patrick Lucey (Liberal), since 1978
-Bob Kasten (Progressive Conservative), since 1987


Wyoming
-Teno Roncalio (Liberal), since 1976
-Gale W. McGee (Liberal), since 1978


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Northwest Territories
-Gordon Wray (Independent), since 1984

Nunavut Territory
-Jack Anawak (Liberal), since 1987

Ungava Territory
-Armand Caouette (Independent-Progressive Conservative), since 1984

Yukon Territory
-Erik Nielsen (Progressive Conservative), since 1986

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The American Senate ITTL is very much like the Canadian one IOTL when it comes to the amount of power it is capable of excercising, with the biggest differences being that very province has two senators each, like the US Senate IOTL, with each territory having one. Also, unlike the Canadian Senate, there's no obligatory retirement age of 75 for Senators in the American one.

You forgot Jamaica.
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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2012, 11:47:10 AM »

^ Yeah I noticed that too, so I've fixed it now.
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