PPP NC/OH polls to be released tonight; Obama surging past 2008 margins

[Joe Biden 2020]

Yeah, MorningInAmerica, you should definitely emigrate to Kenya in search for better economic opportunities. And if you have a son there who some day decides to run for President, let's hope nobody will question his birth certificate.

When did I question anyone's birth certificate? I was stating an honest fact about Africa. http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/Whats_driving_Africas_growth_2601 Are you just trying to be combative and start a fight, or are you just really dumb and don't understand what I was saying to begin with? If it's the latter, don't bother clicking on the link because you won''t understand it anyway.

I can't speak for him, but I don't think he means that.  I personally went to Kenya this past March and had dreams (still have them to an extent) of moving to Kenya.  I think he was just joking about the birther movement.  At least, I hope that's the case!

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

50/45

D+4. 2008: D+8

Romney Favorables: 44/49
Dems Had Better Convention: 47-35
http://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/244970128649904130

[Person Man]

Yeah, MorningInAmerica, you should definitely emigrate to Kenya in search for better economic opportunities. And if you have a son there who some day decides to run for President, let's hope nobody will question his birth certificate.

When did I question anyone's birth certificate? I was stating an honest fact about Africa. http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/Whats_driving_Africas_growth_2601 Are you just trying to be combative and start a fight, or are you just really dumb and don't understand what I was saying to begin with? If it's the latter, don't bother clicking on the link because you won''t understand it anyway.

I can't speak for him, but I don't think he means that.  I personally went to Kenya this past March and had dreams (still have them to an extent) of moving to Kenya.  I think he was just joking about the birther movement.  At least, I hope that's the case!

I think it was a joke...

[pa2011]

PPP tweeted its Obama 50 Romney 45.  Party ID is D +4, compared to D+8 in 2008. Not an insurmountable lead for Romney, but not a great sign for him that, even with a somewhat favorable party break down, he's still down 5.

[MorningInAmerica]

Wow....all that build up for that? How is 5 points "surging past 2008 results"? Their poll from May had Obama up 7 points (50-43%).

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

Wow....all that build up for that? How is 5 points "surging past 2008 results"?

Obama won by 4. He's doing better with weaker Dem turnout.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Wow....all that build up for that? How is 5 points "surging past 2008 results"?

Obama won Ohio in 2008 by (using rounded numbers) 51-47, with a more favorable partisan breakdown. This poll has him up 5 with a less favorable partisan breakdown. I understand you spend your days trolling around the two 2012 boards, but this is very simple math.

[MorningInAmerica]

Overly nitpicky, but it was 4.6 pts that he won by in 2008 in Ohio.

[MorningInAmerica]

Wow....all that build up for that? How is 5 points "surging past 2008 results"?

Obama won Ohio in 2008 by (using rounded numbers) 51-47, with a more favorable partisan breakdown. This poll has him up 5 with a less favorable partisan breakdown. I understand you spend your days trolling around the two 2012 boards, but this is very simple math.

Oh look, it's everyone's favorite word to throw around with people they disagree with. "Troll." How original. Such a simple way to dimiss things you'd rather not have to know about. Awfully protective over PPP eh? Like I said, Obama led 50-43% in May in Ohio, per PPP. This race could go anywhere.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Romney unfavorables at -5 (44-49). Still bad.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Oh look, it's everyone's favorite word to throw around with people they disagree with. "Troll." How original. Such a simple way to dimiss things you'd rather not have to know about.

You infest almost every thread on these boards and manage to be the hackiest of the hacks in virtually every single one.

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Yes, and? PPP was comparing their results to the actual 2008 election results, not against their poll results of four months ago.

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Which no one denies.

[Marokai Backbeat]

15% of Ohio Republicans think Romney deserves more credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden? How severe is the brain damage of those folks? How does Romney have anything at all to do with it?

[MorningInAmerica]

Oh look, it's everyone's favorite word to throw around with people they disagree with. "Troll." How original. Such a simple way to dimiss things you'd rather not have to know about.

You infest almost every thread on these boards and manage to be the hackiest of the hacks in virtually every single one.

Again, I think you would pretty much say that about anyone or anything you disagree with. It's the same with Krazen, JJ, and every other blue avatar you run around calling a "hack," or a "troll." I put up with your ridiculous partisan bullsh*t posts, so you can put up with mine. Isn't there an ignore button you could use somewhere?

Yes, and? PPP was comparing their results to the actual 2008 election results, not against their poll results of four months ago.

Like I said, I don't really see how essentially matching the 2008 result is "surging past the 2008 result." Obama won by 4.6 points in 2008, and all I did was question use of the term "surging." That got you all bent out of shape?

[Marokai Backbeat]

If you're standing up in defense of JJ and Krazen's character, of all people, I think you're making my argument for me.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Oh look, it's everyone's favorite word to throw around with people they disagree with. "Troll." How original. Such a simple way to dimiss things you'd rather not have to know about.

You infest almost every thread on these boards and manage to be the hackiest of the hacks in virtually every single one.

Only because the hackiest hacks don't post as broadly.  In any case, I wouldn't call MIA a hack or a troll.  He's definitely highly partisan, but not so much that unlike the real hacks I don't think he's either delusional or putting on an act.

[MorningInAmerica]

If you're standing up in defense of JJ and Krazen's character, of all people, I think you're making my argument for me.

Ha. Another deflection. Why don't you just shout "troll" and "hack" a few more times?

Oh, and edited to say thank you sincerely, True Federalist.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

15% of Ohio Republicans think Romney deserves more credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden? How severe is the brain damage of those folks? How does Romney have anything at all to do with it?

If Romney hadn't gotten Obama scared that he might lose reelection, Obama would never have authorized killing a fellow Muslim.

[President von Cat]

Obamamentum marches in Ohio! Unstoppable marching!

That jobs report sure did smother Obama's bounce.

Etc.

[pa2011]

Just a hunch. Think PPP took real care with this poll, a likely voter poll, and didn't want their first set of polls post convention to seem outlandish, too partisan, or too optimistic for Obama.  With all that, plus 5 suggests, if election held today, Obama would win again by same margin as '08. Think back -- it wasn't even close. Ohio was called very early that night. And, frankly, i have a hard time believing it won't be more like D+6 turnout on election day, instead of this +4.  But its not like, with 2 months to go, things can't change and Romney can't retake the lead in Ohio. Still, he hasn't really led there at all this year, so he clearly needs to refocus his strategy or something if he's going to do it.

[TJ in Oregon]

For a poll taken right after the Democratic convention, it really only has Obama doing two points better than the last PPP poll, taken about a month ago. Sure it's better news for Obama than Romney, but this is probably one of Romney's better polls in the last couple days.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Oh look, it's everyone's favorite word to throw around with people they disagree with. "Troll." How original. Such a simple way to dimiss things you'd rather not have to know about.

You infest almost every thread on these boards and manage to be the hackiest of the hacks in virtually every single one.

Only because the hackiest hacks don't post as broadly.  In any case, I wouldn't call MIA a hack or a troll.  He's definitely highly partisan, but not so much that unlike the real hacks I don't think he's either delusional or putting on an act.

MIA isn't a hack nor a troll. He's just truly believes what he believes, and isn't afraid to let people know it. There are only about 2 troll/hacks on this board, I'm not gonna call any names. Cough.......Winfield & Politico......Cough, Cough.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

For a poll taken right after the Democratic convention, it really only has Obama doing two points better than the last PPP poll, taken about a month ago. Sure it's better news for Obama than Romney, but this is probably one of Romney's better polls in the last couple days.

Well it was taken the day of and the 2 days following the release of the employment report. That might have muted a larger bounce.

[President von Cat]

For a poll taken right after the Democratic convention, it really only has Obama doing two points better than the last PPP poll, taken about a month ago. Sure it's better news for Obama than Romney, but this is probably one of Romney's better polls in the last couple days.

Uh no, at this point any expansion one way or the other is pivotal, given how small the slice of the undecided electorate is becoming. Plus, if Romney's support has not grown, then it means that the RNC didn't really sway anybody.

Obama also hit 50% in this poll, which is a pretty big deal.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Oh look, it's everyone's favorite word to throw around with people they disagree with. "Troll." How original. Such a simple way to dimiss things you'd rather not have to know about.

You infest almost every thread on these boards and manage to be the hackiest of the hacks in virtually every single one.

Only because the hackiest hacks don't post as broadly.  In any case, I wouldn't call MIA a hack or a troll.  He's definitely highly partisan, but not so much that unlike the real hacks I don't think he's either delusional or putting on an act.

Highly partisan, unnecessarily confrontational, contributes very little to substantive discussion beyond the same notes, omnipresent, and on and on. We can sit here and split hairs if you like but I just see this as a semantic argument. I feel sort of uncomfortable drawing this out (particularly with you, someone I actually respect on here, and I feel like the more I draw this out the more it seems like I'm trying to make a big deal out of it when I barely care) but it's kind of weird having this bizarre "aha! I've got you now, Marokai!" response to something I said regarding PPP, as if I'm on their payroll. It just strikes me as, if not hackish, a bit immature; as if MIA is a 14 year old who just discovered his first political forum. And if that's the case, then I do apologize.

[MorningInAmerica]

Oh look, it's everyone's favorite word to throw around with people they disagree with. "Troll." How original. Such a simple way to dimiss things you'd rather not have to know about.

You infest almost every thread on these boards and manage to be the hackiest of the hacks in virtually every single one.

Only because the hackiest hacks don't post as broadly.  In any case, I wouldn't call MIA a hack or a troll.  He's definitely highly partisan, but not so much that unlike the real hacks I don't think he's either delusional or putting on an act.

Highly partisan, unnecessarily confrontational, contributes very little to substantive discussion beyond the same notes, omnipresent, and on and on. We can sit here and split hairs if you like but I just see this as a semantic argument. I feel sort of uncomfortable drawing this out (particularly with you, someone I actually respect on here, and I feel like the more I draw this out the more it seems like I'm trying to make a big deal out of it when I barely care) but it's kind of weird having this bizarre "aha! I've got you now, Marokai!" response to something I said regarding PPP, as if I'm on their payroll. It just strikes me as, if not hackish, a bit immature; as if MIA is a 14 year old who just discovered his first political forum. And if that's the case, then I do apologize.

"I've got you now?" So let me get this straight. You address me first, call me names, then I respond by asking you why you're so protective over a polling agency, and then I'm the hack? Lovely logic you're applying there, Marokai. Did I ever even say "aha, I've got you now, Marakai"? Don't believe I did. So you have to put words in my mouth to fit your argument? I see. Seeing as how you "barely care," I'm sure you'll be willing to let this ridiculous discussion (that I'd like to remind everyone YOU started) drop now.