US ambassador 'killed in Libya'

[dead0man]

Obama should come out with a statement saying that in America we have something called freedom of speech. If Muslims would like to make anti-Christian movies and put it up on Youtube, they are free to do so.

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He understands our culture about as well as we understand his.

[The Mikado]

One of the other people killed in this was very well known in the EVE Online community.

RIP, all of them.

Sean Smith AKA Vilerat was also one of the moderators of Something Awful's political board.  I've interacted with him before on there.

BTW, guys, it was a consulate, not an embassy.

[dead0man]

Obama should come out with a statement saying that in America we have something called freedom of speech. If Muslims would like to make anti-Christian movies and put it up on Youtube, they are free to do so.

I believe that some already do.

Freedom of speech does not give you the right to infer that a holy man to over a billion people was a paedophile without evidence.

I'm pretty sure that's EXACTLY what it does.

And don't Muslims teach that Aisha was 10 or something?

[Sbane]

Obama should come out with a statement saying that in America we have something called freedom of speech. If Muslims would like to make anti-Christian movies and put it up on Youtube, they are free to do so.

I believe that some already do.

Freedom of speech does not give you the right to infer that a holy man to over a billion people was a paedophile without evidence.

I know that in India it wouldn't be considered free speech, but I think it should be. I guess I also understand that in a country like India it could lead to riots so it must be discouraged. I just don't get why they are getting sand in their vagina over something done in the US. Whatever.

[The Mikado]

Obama should come out with a statement saying that in America we have something called freedom of speech. If Muslims would like to make anti-Christian movies and put it up on Youtube, they are free to do so.

I believe that some already do.

Freedom of speech does not give you the right to infer that a holy man to over a billion people was a paedophile without evidence.

I'm pretty sure that's EXACTLY what it does.

And don't Muslims teach that Aisha was 10 or something?

This is not the time nor place for this.  This is a goddamned tragedy.  Several good people are dead, we don't need to talk about how you want more people to die over this damn foolish movie.

For the record, "marrying" orphaned girls like Aisha was a way to prevent them from f**king starving to death by not having any relatives.

[Sbane]

Obama should come out with a statement saying that in America we have something called freedom of speech. If Muslims would like to make anti-Christian movies and put it up on Youtube, they are free to do so.

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He understands our culture about as well as we understand his.

What they need to understand is that Americans won't feel good about it, but you have the RIGHT to do it if you wish to. I am not defending the guy who made the anti-muslim movie, just his right to do what he wants to do.

[dead0man]

Obama should come out with a statement saying that in America we have something called freedom of speech. If Muslims would like to make anti-Christian movies and put it up on Youtube, they are free to do so.

I believe that some already do.

Freedom of speech does not give you the right to infer that a holy man to over a billion people was a paedophile without evidence.

I'm pretty sure that's EXACTLY what it does.

And don't Muslims teach that Aisha was 10 or something?

This is not the time nor place for this.  This is a goddamned tragedy.  Several good people are dead, we don't need to talk about how you want more people to die over this damn foolish movie.

At what point did I say I wanted more good people dead?

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The only way to save her was to rape her?

[dead0man]

Obama should come out with a statement saying that in America we have something called freedom of speech. If Muslims would like to make anti-Christian movies and put it up on Youtube, they are free to do so.

From CNN

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He understands our culture about as well as we understand his.

What they need to understand is that Americans won't feel good about it, but you have the RIGHT to do it if you wish to. I am not defending the guy who made the anti-muslim movie, just his right to do what he wants to do.

Agreed in full...well, I don't think most Americans would care at all, hell, a lot of us would find it funny....but other than that, agreed in full.

[Franzl]

Obama should come out with a statement saying that in America we have something called freedom of speech. If Muslims would like to make anti-Christian movies and put it up on Youtube, they are free to do so.

From CNN

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He understands our culture about as well as we understand his.

What they need to understand is that Americans won't feel good about it, but you have the RIGHT to do it if you wish to. I am not defending the guy who made the anti-muslim movie, just his right to do what he wants to do.

Agreed in full...well, I don't think most Americans would care at all, hell, a lot of us would find it funny....but other than that, agreed in full.

Especially here in Western Europe, we're quite used to the Christian churches being less and less popular and being subjected to insults and ridicule. (Some of it legitimate, mind you, but that's not the point.)

But you still don't see conservative Catholic Bavarians joining angry mobs and killing people over it.

[Zioneer]

Hey Mikado, can I call dead0man a dunce for his bigoted comments? If not, then I'll delete this post (assuming dead0man doesn't quote it).

[dead0man]

Hey Mikado, can I call dead0man a dunce for his bigoted comments? If not, then I'll delete this post (assuming dead0man doesn't quote it).

You can call me a dunce if you want, I won't report it...only assholes report posts

Though I am curious as to what I said that you find bigoted.

[7,052,770]

I hate to say this, because it is the same argument bigots make, but when was the last time super fundamentalist Christians reacted this way to an unrelated person insulting Jesus?

[opebo]

Just a final thought, editing... what are we doing with an 'ambassador' in Libya?  I wasn't aware they had a legitimate or functioning government - the proper ruler, who provided excellent security, was killed by a usurping mob.  To put an ambassador into this mayhem is crazy.

The bearded men are in charge now, opebo.

Well, in Libya, alas yes, but crucially not yet in Egypt.  The Army still has a fighting chance to deal with them as they should be dealt with.

Remember Gaddafi, gentlemen - a man who, whatever his sartorial sins, could protect an American ambassador.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Well, let this be a lesson in the theory of minding our own ing business.

Just a final thought, editing... what are we doing with an 'ambassador' in Libya?  I wasn't aware they had a legitimate or functioning government - the proper ruler, who provided excellent security, was killed by a usurping mob.  To put an ambassador into this mayhem is crazy.

The bearded men are in charge now, opebo.

Well, in Libya, alas yes, but crucially not yet in Egypt.  The Army still has a fighting chance to deal with them as they should be dealt with.

Remember Gaddafi, gentlemen - a man who, whatever his sartorial sins, could protect an American ambassador.

I...I agree with you for once, Opebo.

[Vosem]

Remember Gaddafi, gentlemen - a man who, whatever his sartorial sins, could protect an American ambassador.

When was the last time I agreed with opebo on American foreign policy?

[Nhoj]

Remember Gaddafi, gentlemen - a man who, whatever his sartorial sins, could protect an American ambassador.

When was the last time I agreed with opebo on American foreign policy?

Ah yes Gaddafi great anti terrorist who never bombed nightclubs or airplanes full of people.

[Insula Dei]

Remember Gaddafi, gentlemen - a man who, whatever his sartorial sins, could protect an American ambassador.

When was the last time I agreed with opebo on American foreign policy?

Ah yes Gaddafi great anti terrorist who never bombed nightclubs or airplanes full of people.

tschhh, if you don't think about it, it never happened and you can still blame Obama.

[AkSaber]

Well, let this be a lesson in the theory of minding our own ing business.

Thank you. I was wondering if someone was going to mention what you did.

[Vosem]

Remember Gaddafi, gentlemen - a man who, whatever his sartorial sins, could protect an American ambassador.

When was the last time I agreed with opebo on American foreign policy?

Ah yes Gaddafi great anti terrorist who never bombed nightclubs or airplanes full of people.

The 1986 bombings Reagan ordered were spot on...but in more recent years, Gaddafi has been a fervent opponent of al-Qaeda and relations with the West had been improving. The rebels were a blank slate. I understand supporting Afghanistan 2001 and Iraq 2003 (and hypothetical Iran sometime in the future) but not Libya 2011 looks hackish, but...the first two were much better ideas than the last one.

[patrick1]

Remember Gaddafi, gentlemen - a man who, whatever his sartorial sins, could protect an American ambassador.

When was the last time I agreed with opebo on American foreign policy?

Ah yes Gaddafi great anti terrorist who never bombed nightclubs or airplanes full of people.

The 1986 bombings Reagan ordered were spot on...but in more recent years, Gaddafi has been a fervent opponent of al-Qaeda and relations with the West had been improving. The rebels were a blank slate. I understand supporting Afghanistan 2001 and Iraq 2003 (and hypothetical Iran sometime in the future) but not Libya 2011 looks hackish, but...the first two were much better ideas than the last one.

So the invasion that required 150k troops and a prolonged occupation to topple a dictator that was an Al Qaeda opponent and had stopped his WMD program was a good idea instead of the one that required some F-18 sorties.

Listen, I had supported the invasion of Iraq and I am still glad that Hussein is gone.  Obviously the post invasion and occupation was breathtakingly mismanaged.  However, even under perfect conditions it was always going to be a massively expensive and bloody undertaking.  To even compare the Libyan fling with this is incredibly disingenuous.

[Mr. Morden]

There seems to be a lot of uncertainty over who's behind the movie.  Initially, it was claimed that that the funding largely came from Jewish donors, but now it seems there are indications of backing from Coptic Christians?  For example:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/13/anti-islamic-film-us-nakoula

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Doesn't look promising for peace between Christians and Muslims in Egypt.

[The Mikado]

Mr. Morden: the man originally thought to be the director, an Israeli-American land developer named Sam Bacile, doesn't actually exist, and was someone else using a pseudonym.

Also, the actors of the movie were not told that it was about Muhammad, the lines about Islam were dubbed over the original audio, and the actors are (rightly) pissed that their careers are now radioactive because they were tricked into starring in hate speech.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

If anyone's interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC6yGzpSvjU

Yeah it's as bad as you heard.

[Zioneer]

Just a final thought, editing... what are we doing with an 'ambassador' in Libya?  I wasn't aware they had a legitimate or functioning government - the proper ruler, who provided excellent security, was killed by a usurping mob.  To put an ambassador into this mayhem is crazy.

The bearded men are in charge now, opebo.

Well, in Libya, alas yes, but crucially not yet in Egypt.  The Army still has a fighting chance to deal with them as they should be dealt with.

Remember Gaddafi, gentlemen - a man who, whatever his sartorial sins, could protect an American ambassador.

He also slaughtered his own people, assassinated dissenters living in other nations, and bombed nightclubs. But he protected ambassadors, what a wonderful man!

[Simfan34]

Just a final thought, editing... what are we doing with an 'ambassador' in Libya?  I wasn't aware they had a legitimate or functioning government - the proper ruler, who provided excellent security, was killed by a usurping mob.  To put an ambassador into this mayhem is crazy.

The bearded men are in charge now, opebo.

Well, in Libya, alas yes, but crucially not yet in Egypt.  The Army still has a fighting chance to deal with them as they should be dealt with.

Remember Gaddafi, gentlemen - a man who, whatever his sartorial sins, could protect an American ambassador.

He also slaughtered his own people, assassinated dissenters living in other nations, and bombed nightclubs. But he protected ambassadors, what a wonderful man!

Don't forget the sartorial sins?