Ohio redistricting proposal poised for failure

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

There is no way that NC... could stop a... 2010 style wave election, no matter how gerrymandered they are.

I dunno, looked like they did a good job of it to me.

How is Speaker Pelosi doing these days?

Really!

[Cliff Racer]

How is Speaker Pelosi doing these days?

Really!

In North Carolina she did very well, retaining a 7-5 advantage that probably would have been 8-4 if one of her Congressman didn't try to choke that gadfly.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

That was just the (disgusting) gerrymander working, darling.

[BigSkyBob]

How is Speaker Pelosi doing these days?

Really!

In North Carolina she did very well, retaining a 7-5 advantage that probably would have been 8-4 if one of her Congressman didn't try to choke that gadfly.

We can take it for granted that if every incumbent lacked the personal flaws they do have incumbent, in general, would do a bit better on election day. Then again, if every challenger lacked the personal flaws they do have, they too might do a bit better on election day. And, if the true character of every person standing for office the first time was generally known, Congress probably wouldn't have as many mean drunks as it does have.

[Cliff Racer]

That was just the (disgusting) gerrymander working, darling.

Which is exactly what I said?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

How is Speaker Pelosi doing these days?

Really!

In North Carolina she did very well, retaining a 7-5 advantage that probably would have been 8-4 if one of her Congressman didn't try to choke that gadfly.

You missed the point of what I was saying, which was that a single, or even a few, state delegations can't prevent a nationwide wave from shifting control of the chamber.

[Miles]

Looks like the redistricting amendment made it onto the ballot after all.

[krazen1211]

Republicans knew what they were doing with the ballot wording for the Ohio redistricting referendum. Last month we found voters in the state supported an independent redistricting commission by a 37/24 margin. But with the official ballot language, which frames the commission as 'removing the authority of elected representatives' and giving it to appointed officials, only 33% of voters now say they support the amendment to 38% who are opposed.




Great news!

[Gass3268]

Then hopefully this lawsuit successes

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/08/redistricting_reform_proponent.html

[Gass3268]

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/09/ohio_supreme_court_says_ballot.html

The text of the ballot measure is going to have to be reworded.

[Lief 🗽]

Let's hope the Democrats (and not just the state Democrats, but the national Democrats) invest heavily in making sure this passes.

[Badger]

Republicans knew what they were doing with the ballot wording for the Ohio redistricting referendum. Last month we found voters in the state supported an independent redistricting commission by a 37/24 margin. But with the official ballot language, which frames the commission as 'removing the authority of elected representatives' and giving it to appointed officials, only 33% of voters now say they support the amendment to 38% who are opposed.




Great news!

Yes, the language was literally the worst imaginable in terms of partisanship and slanting the ballot language against the facts. Rammed through by the gop sec of state machinery.
'Great news'? But Krazy, I thought you were against ALL "vicious gerrymanders"? SURELY you're not just being a shamelessly partisan hack without scruples.

[Badger]

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/09/ohio_supreme_court_says_ballot.html

The text of the ballot measure is going to have to be reworded.

I hadn't heard about this before. To put this in perspective, 5 of the 6 Republicans on the Court (and it's sole Democrat; all elected) nixed the proposed ballot language.

[krazen1211]

Republicans knew what they were doing with the ballot wording for the Ohio redistricting referendum. Last month we found voters in the state supported an independent redistricting commission by a 37/24 margin. But with the official ballot language, which frames the commission as 'removing the authority of elected representatives' and giving it to appointed officials, only 33% of voters now say they support the amendment to 38% who are opposed.




Great news!

Yes, the language was literally the worst imaginable in terms of partisanship and slanting the ballot language against the facts. Rammed through by the gop sec of state machinery.
'Great news'? But Krazy, I thought you were against ALL "vicious gerrymanders"? SURELY you're not just being a shamelessly partisan hack without scruples.

Vicious gerrymandering is an American ideal. What is there to be against?


The Republicans in, say, Texas, have to seek retribution for a century of such vicious gerrymandering.

[Badger]

Republicans knew what they were doing with the ballot wording for the Ohio redistricting referendum. Last month we found voters in the state supported an independent redistricting commission by a 37/24 margin. But with the official ballot language, which frames the commission as 'removing the authority of elected representatives' and giving it to appointed officials, only 33% of voters now say they support the amendment to 38% who are opposed.




Great news!

Yes, the language was literally the worst imaginable in terms of partisanship and slanting the ballot language against the facts. Rammed through by the gop sec of state machinery.
'Great news'? But Krazy, I thought you were against ALL "vicious gerrymanders"? SURELY you're not just being a shamelessly partisan hack without scruples.

Vicious gerrymandering is an American ideal. What is there to be against?


The Republicans in, say, Texas, have to seek retribution for a century of such vicious gerrymandering.

Self-parody achieved. Congratulations.