SENATE BILL: Late-Term Abortion Restriction Act (On the President's Desk)

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The amendment has passed.


If you think that even those few cases of late abortion involve the destruction of human life, then is it really that hard for a bunch of lazy politicians to define what constitutes a "threat to life" considering what is at stake?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Oh come on, I figured someone would consider what I said atleast somewhat outrageous. Where is the life here, people? BEEF IT UP!!!

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Yea, someone might have a heart attack from the intensity of the debate.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What bizarre objections. Restricting things might cost time and money! Don't do it! There's really nothing vague about it, but what can I even say in response to that? If you oppose any restriction on abortion whatsoever, simply say you oppose any restriction on abortion whatever. Don't dress it up to make it seem like you have some wise, statesmanlike objection. At least Napoleon is being intellectually honest even though I think completely sidestepping the issue of when a meaningful life exists in the womb is a completely crazy and lazy cop-out.

It's weird to me that this is probably going to end up failing, because there's very few actual arguments against it and most of the population would have very little objection to restricting abortions at such a late stage. It's also weird to me that the fight we're having over this bill is on a completely different logic-plane than I expected to be fighting; not about the determination of life, but about vague, trivial "principled" objections covered up with flimsy concerns over cost.

Don't mind my rambling, I guess. I'm just baffled.

I am not surprised at all. And you shouldn't be either, since it is the direct result of rhetorical arguments made by people (including people such as yourself) in the context of RL politics. Once again RL politics is crossing over into the game to screw us.

Life, especially in contexts like this, use to be one of the safer social issues to make a conservative stand on. Now you likely won't get a principled debate over the underlying matter and it will instead be centered around the apparel and the drapes.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am simply bringing up the cost because I don't see myself convincing anyone to change their opinion on the morality of the issue.  Obviously, the government would need a way to determine when a late-term abortion is 'medically necessary,' and since it is so unlikely that a woman is going to seek a late-term abortion for reasons other than her health, we could potentially be spending millions of dollars on something (such as an agency, let's say) that's only going to stop a few hundred abortions, and not have any record of precisely how much we're spending on it. The specifics of this ban need to be examined very carefully, and I think the senators themselves should determine whether or not it's worth it.

Okay and you are not only a Senator, but a prolific amender bills. You want a definition of medically necessary? Write up a text you find appropriate to do that and then we can negotiate the subject.

Why not ask the GM to do a cost analysis of the bill if we are so concerned with it? In a perfect world, the Judiciary would have got to chomp on it a while, but sadly the Committees have been delayed far more then we anticipated.

Instead of wailing about the problems, why don't we try and fix them?

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Status: Waitin on a Sunny Day (the other amendment to finish )

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You what, I like this "I don't object thing" some have seem to have started. It will keep people checking these threads more often. Keep doing it.


Sbane's has passed.


I will start the vote on Scott's later tonight.

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Status: The above amendment is now at vote, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

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Pork only works if you can 1) get away with or 2) Other Senators have the opportunity to do so and in fact take advantage of it.

Nay.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on the Amendment 50:07 by Scott:

Aye (0):
Nay (7): Bacon King, Ben, HagridoftheDeep, NC Yankee, NVTownsend, and Redalgo
Abstain (1): Scott

Didn't Vote (1): sbane

The amendment has failed.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

There is something wrong with that vote result above, if you see it don't spill it, I want the person it applies to to catch it. It doesn't affect the results and the numbers are accurate.

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So you were paying attention, good.

Is there more amendments coming? I was under the impression, that was the case. If so, can we please expedite that.

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Amendment to be considered once Scott's is passed.

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Status: Objection Entered by Senator Franzl. Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain. 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I accept Scott's as friendly, but I don't accept yours, Yankee. Sorry.

What don't you like about Yankee's amendment, out of curiosity?  I think that will improve the way the cash is distributed.

I object to the inclusion of the Department of Internal Affairs, given my opposition to the position of SoIA. I have no problem giving the same work to the GM instead.

Such is illegal as those duties currently reside with the SoIA. Only after, or as part of your repeal bill passing can all these duties be transferred. Since that isn't even a forgone conclusion, such isn't satisfcatory.

I hope that should your bill fail, that your will stop these Grover Norquist style, obstructionist sabotaging of the position. You sure you aren't a Conservative Marokai?

Edit: Just realized the second paragraph made no sense.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye,

but I would appreciate a possible funding source if that is possible.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye.

I just realized something: if we abolish the SoIA position, how many bills that refer to the SoIA will we have to go back and fix?

A certain person doesn't seem to give a damn, he is too busy pretending to be Dick Mourdock.

We just added three more in thel ast month and a half. The Education bill, your bill thing from last month and Seatown's Co-Op bill. So quite a lot.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye.

I just realized something: if we abolish the SoIA position, how many bills that refer to the SoIA will we have to go back and fix?

A certain person doesn't seem to give a damn, he is too busy pretending to be Dick Mourdock.

We just added three more in thel ast month and a half. The Education bill, your bill thing from last month and Seatown's Co-Op bill. So quite a lot.

God knows what else.  There's another argument against abolishing the position..

I think I may have brought it up in the Getting Real Dump about the cabinet thread, but I lose many posts in transmission, so I can never be sure what I posted or not, unless I check.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We are one vote short by may count. WTF SENATORS?!!!! Are they doing after debate frat parties now? BYOB all way? What about yesterday then? 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on amendment 51:12:

Aye (6): Ben, Franzl, Marokai Blue, NC Yankee, sbane, and Scott
Nay (0):
Abstain (1): Hagrid

Didn't Vote (3): Bacon King, NVTownsend, and Redalgo

The Amendment has passed.