Opinion of Elizabeth Warren

[LiberalJunkie]

FF for me.

[© tweed]

about as good as can be asked for within the US political system.

[Vosem]

Very HP

[Grumpier Than Thou]

Misguided, though well intentioned. That's putting it kindly. HP.

[Lief 🗽]

I don't understand the hatred on the right towards Warren (well, I do: it's sexism, but still). None of the stuff she is saying is that controversial, is it? Do you folks seriously thinks banks should not be regulated? That agencies should not exist to protect consumers? That the corporations should be able to buy congressmen and their votes? It's not like the woman is some raging Marxist.

[Franzl]

FF

[Vosem]

I don't understand the hatred on the right towards Warren (well, I do: it's sexism, but still).

Because obviously the Republican Party of the United States is a sexist organization.

[Donerail]

I don't understand the hatred on the right towards Warren (well, I do: it's sexism, but still).

Because obviously the Republican Party of the United States is a sexist organization.

Sarah Palin and Susana Martinez agree.

[Vosem]

I don't understand the hatred on the right towards Warren (well, I do: it's sexism, but still).

Because obviously the Republican Party of the United States is a sexist organization.

Sarah Palin and Susana Martinez agree.

So do Nikki Haley & Kelly Ayotte & Kay Bailey Hutchison & Jan Brewer & Michele Bachmann & Marsha Blackburn & Susan Collins & Nan Hayworth & Mary Bono Mack...

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Besides DWS, and Lois Frankel, I think she is the thrd most dangerous female in America.

[Grumpier Than Thou]

It's not like the woman is some raging Marxist.

You're right, she's a softcore socialist.

[Goldwater]

HP.

[Lief 🗽]

I don't understand the hatred on the right towards Warren (well, I do: it's sexism, but still).

Because obviously the Republican Party of the United States is a sexist organization.

Sarah Palin and Susana Martinez agree.

So do Nikki Haley & Kelly Ayotte & Kay Bailey Hutchison & Jan Brewer & Michele Bachmann & Marsha Blackburn & Susan Collins & Nan Hayworth & Mary Bono Mack...

There are also plenty of black and Hispanic Republicans. Doesn't make the party any less racist.

Anyway, I didn't say anything about the Republican Party. I was talking about American conservatism, which has an undeniable under current of misogyny (see also: the attacks on Sandra Fluke, the opposition to contraception and family planning, the opposition to equal pay laws, etc.). If Elizabeth Warren were a man, these denunciations of her would be nowhere near as vitriolic and personal.

[Vosem]

There are also plenty of black and Hispanic Republicans. Doesn't make the party any less racist.

Um...that's exactly why the party isn't racist, dude. Unless you have some kind of different definition of racism.

[TNF]

Massive FF.

[Franzl]

There are also plenty of black and Hispanic Republicans. Doesn't make the party any less racist.

Um...that's exactly why the party isn't racist, dude. Unless you have some kind of different definition of racism.

There are woman in the GOP, doesn't mean the party doesn't have sexist positions. There are also gay Republicans...doesn't mean the party supports laws that are in the interest of gay people....

And so on.

[opebo]

There are also plenty of black and Hispanic Republicans. Doesn't make the party any less racist.

Um...that's exactly why the party isn't racist, dude. Unless you have some kind of different definition of racism.

For g*d's sake, the government of apartheid South Africa employed black policemen, Vosem.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

[ViaActiva]

Most of what she says is sensible and well-intentioned. But she has no political tact and is a good example of why academics should not be politicians.

[Spanish Moss]

AHHHHH CRAPPY COMPUTERS

[Vosem]

There are also plenty of black and Hispanic Republicans. Doesn't make the party any less racist.

Um...that's exactly why the party isn't racist, dude. Unless you have some kind of different definition of racism.

For g*d's sake, the government of apartheid South Africa employed black policemen, Vosem.

Forced labor isn't a very good example, opebo (I just dare you to reply with anything other than 'all labor is forced') -- after all, the examples I cited all voluntarily chose to enter the Republican Party, while black policemen were simply doing the best they can to get by. My grandfather was a Soviet military officer, and at the same time briefly became a practicing Hindu and maintained a secret samizdat library. The point is, any of the figures I listed above could've gone into the Democratic Party and there would not have been retribution -- which wasn't the case for black policemen in South Africa.

There are also plenty of black and Hispanic Republicans. Doesn't make the party any less racist.

Um...that's exactly why the party isn't racist, dude. Unless you have some kind of different definition of racism.

There are woman in the GOP, doesn't mean the party doesn't have sexist positions.

Er, yes it does. Could you explain why women would enter a party that has explicitly sexist positions? And, for that matter, what sexist positions does the GOP have?

There are also gay Republicans...doesn't mean the party supports laws that are in the interest of gay people....

And so on.

As I mentioned in my long discussion with Marokai a few months ago on the matter, the GOP does support laws which are pro-gay economically, or are at least viewed by some gays as being correct economically. After all, gay rights issues nowadays are not about things that would affect gay people's lives so significantly.

Yes, the fact that there are women and black people who are in the GOP because they want to be there does mean the party is neither sexist nor racist. (You can also look at their policies to come to the same conclusion, but that takes longer.)

[courts]

are you seriously trying to argue with.. no never mind there's just too much about this post that makes my head hurt. please be a troll.

[Maxwell]

She's a huge HP: she has obnoxious, populist rhetoric, but she will curb civil liberties whenever her democratic party bosses tell her.

Mark my words, as soon as she's elected, she's a puppet, not a leader.

[So rightwing that I broke the Political Compass!]

She seems a fairly average New England Democrat to me, maybe a bit more passionate and radical regarding banking regulation, but I don't see how she's much more extremist then Ted Kennedy or other New England liberals.

[opebo]

For g*d's sake, the government of apartheid South Africa employed black policemen, Vosem.

Forced labor isn't a very good example, opebo (I just dare you to reply with anything other than 'all labor is forced')

What are you talking about?  Black policemen under the apartheid government weren't 'forced' to be policemen, any more than black Republicans are 'forced'.  They're just looking for career advantages.

The point is that an organization employing a particular oppressed class doesn't mean it isn't an oppressive organization.