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« on: September 29, 2012, 01:10:27 AM »
« edited: October 17, 2012, 12:24:20 AM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2012, 01:13:14 AM »

24 hours Scott, or the song I am listening to right now will be your fate.

There's no time left for you, No time left yoooouuuuu. No Time! No Time! No Time! I got got got got no time!

You get the idea. Tongue
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2012, 01:18:48 AM »
« Edited: September 29, 2012, 01:20:30 AM by Senator Scott »

I wrote this legislation at the request of the President.  Now, I know what a lot of people are going to say: "Aw, not another friggin' committee.  Don't we have enough of those, already?"  However, I think this committee will serve a good purpose.  The office of the SoIA, in my opinion, can have a much more significant role in the game if it is assigned a Senate committee that it can work with.  As the Government Oversight and Reform Committee observed in the last session, there is, unfortunately, very little communication between the SoIA and other departments of our government.  I believe that before we move to abolish that position, we ought to try passing this resolution and judge the results that follow.

Out of fairness to other senators, I will not apply for a spot on the new committee should this resolution pass.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2012, 01:28:16 AM »

I agree on the areas of policy that are specific to the SoIA, having a CoIA as it were would certainly help ensure that the SoIA be active and engaged. If he constantly has a dedicated committee looking over his shoulder to satisfy. 


As ofr the lack of communication/interaction, that in my opinion is systemtic nad the same probably applies to the SoEA as well, atleast at various points in our history. The only committee with the breadth to attack this problem is and will remain the GOR.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2012, 01:35:28 AM »

Good point.  I will amend for that line to be removed.

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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2012, 01:38:21 AM »
« Edited: September 29, 2012, 01:42:16 AM by HagridOfTheDeep »

I'd like to wait to see what happens with the Getting Real About the Cabinet Act before I comment too much on this bill.

I do agree though that we sort of need a committee like this one if we're going to have a committee system. The trouble is, will we ever have an SoIA who'll actually appear in front of this committee? You seem to have faith that the problem is not with the SoIA, but with the fact that he doesn't have enough to do. I disagree. And since the Contempt of Congress Act seems to have failed, there's no way to ensure that we'll have the SoIA's co-operation with this committee. Without a willingness on the part of this cabinet secretary to participate, the committee becomes a little superluous—and I would hate to sign off on a bill that would pointlessly expand the bureaucracy. This bill would make the consequences of an inactive SoIA even more problematic.

Still, I'll probably support the bill... but I have reservations.
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2012, 01:40:17 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2012, 01:43:35 AM »

I'd like to wait to see what happens with the Getting Real About the Cabinet Act before I comment too much on this bill.

I do agree though that we sort of need a committee like this one if we're going to have a committee system. The trouble is, will we ever have an SoIA who'll actually appear in front of this committee? You seem to have faith that the problem is not with the SoIA, but with the fact that he doesn't have enough to do. I disagree. And since the Contempt of Congress Act seems to have failed, there's no way to ensure that we'll have the SoIA's co-operation with this committee. Without a willingness on the part of this cabinet secretary to participate, the committee becomes a little superluous—and I would hate to sign off on a bill that would pointlessly expand the bureaucracy. This bill would make the consequences of an inactive SoIA even more problematic.

Still, I'll probably support the bill... but I have reservations.

He has plenty to do already, this is about ensuring that there is interaction that will require he be active or replaced.

There may be other ways to approach the contempt issue that will pass.
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2012, 01:49:39 AM »

The SoIA is going to be expected to work with the committee with the Contempt of Congress Act in place or not.  If the secretary isn't willing to do his job and participate, he can be removed.
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2012, 01:42:09 AM »

The amendment has passed. By one minute. Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2012, 02:06:47 AM »

The SoIA is going to be expected to work with the committee with the Contempt of Congress Act in place or not.  If the secretary isn't willing to do his job and participate, he can be removed.

Just so I know for the future, what current law provides that the SoIA could be replaced due to inactivity?
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2012, 02:08:44 AM »

The SoIA is going to be expected to work with the committee with the Contempt of Congress Act in place or not.  If the secretary isn't willing to do his job and participate, he can be removed.

Just so I know for the future, what current law provides that the SoIA could be replaced due to inactivity?

Dismissal by the President, in accordance with Article II, Section 1, Clause 4.
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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2012, 01:03:16 AM »

So is that all here?
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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2012, 01:08:30 AM »

I think so.
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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2012, 01:31:12 AM »

Damn it this still has a little under 24 hours left.


I ask Unanimous Consent to waive the cloture requirement to proceed immediately to a final vote, Senators have 24 hours to object.

This way when the minimum debate time expires we can just open the vote, basically and won't have to worry about any subsequent discussion. Unless someone objects of course. I didn't include the debate time minimum in the UC because it will run out a few minutes  before the UC does on its own anyway.
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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2012, 01:53:40 PM »

I would've liked to include urban affairs in section 2, but I'll refrain from proposing an amendment if we're in a hurry to get the resolution passed.

Dismissal by the President, in accordance with Article II, Section 1, Clause 4.

Also, I appreciate your answer here. Although hopefully you can understand why that does not make me confident... and I would say the same thing if anyone were president.
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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2012, 02:00:21 PM »

I would've liked to include urban affairs in section 2, but I'll refrain from proposing an amendment if we're in a hurry to get the resolution passed.

Dismissal by the President, in accordance with Article II, Section 1, Clause 4.

Also, I appreciate your answer here. Although hopefully you can understand why that does not make me confident... and I would say the same thing if anyone were president.

Yeah, I should've included that.  "Housing" should suffice, though.
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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2012, 02:15:32 PM »

Yes, sort of. Tongue

I do not object to UC for a final vote.
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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2012, 12:46:52 AM »

I object to UC and ask for a cloture vote.
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2012, 12:53:47 AM »

WTF MArokai that has never been objected to before! Angry You better have a pretty damn good reason. If you want the housing thing added there is a much faster way to go about it then trying to force a failing cloture vote. Roll Eyes Start talking!!!
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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2012, 01:03:42 AM »

WTF MArokai that has never been objected to before! Angry You better have a pretty damn good reason. If you want the housing thing added there is a much faster way to go about it then trying to force a failing cloture vote. Roll Eyes Start talking!!!

It's nothing personal, I'm just trying to keep this from being dealt with until my proposal to get rid of the SoIA section of the constitution has been passed or rejected. It feels weird talking about how to expand the position when we are simultaneously debating ending it.
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2012, 01:16:49 AM »

Thanks to Franzl and Hagrid that got delayed another 24 hours as well.

Senators, Cloture is now at vote on this SCoIA Creation Resolution to end debate and proceed immediately to a final vote. Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2012, 01:18:06 AM »

Nay.
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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2012, 01:18:28 AM »

We got starve the beast, we got dillatory tactics, and we basically got fillibustering going on here. Fing Obstructionist Tea Partier!


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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2012, 01:18:40 AM »

Aye.
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