Kerry killed Bush on 09/30/04

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

massacred him

His performance was good, but Bush's performance was not bad. 

Obama's performance was arguably on a level of GHW Bush in 1992.

This convenient revisionism is getting really, really grating... G W Bush was horrible, you want to think otherwise, feel free, but you'd be wrong.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Gallup gave 2004 numbers:

Kerry:  53

Bush:  37

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/polls/2004-09-30-debate-poll.htm

Obama would consider it a gift from God if he only lost by a 16 point gap. 

You really have turned into 'one of them'...

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Gallup gave 2004 numbers:

Kerry:  53

Bush:  37

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/polls/2004-09-30-debate-poll.htm

Obama would consider it a gift from God if he only lost by a 16 point gap. 

You really have turned into 'one of them'...

No, just not doing revisionist history, like you. 

I would question how much of a difference it will make in the poll numbers, but it is delusional to claim that this was just as bad as 2004.  CNN started polling in this in 1984 and they have had anyone winning a debate above 60%, until now.

Wow... deflection... you've been studying Politico's techniques...

A sanp poll does reflect something, that's true... but what matters is how people react to the outcome... that is something we don't know.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I know you're used to dealing with 14 year olds on here, but I was 21 and watched every single debate in 2004 as well 1996, 2000 and 2008, as well as the post-debate analyses.

The only real difference is that expectations on Bush in 2004 weren't has inexplicably inflated as they were for Obama, nor was the media response so hysterical.

I personally think there will be a 1-2% bump in the polls, some of the BGs will tighten and Obama will probably slip back in FL and NC...

This was not 1992 because while the immediate outcome of who won the debate was overwhelming, the debate re-enforced a negative perception of Bush.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

This could literally go on for days... let's just agree to disagree...

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

This could literally go on for days... let's just agree to disagree...

Well, you have the numbers from 2004 and you have the numbers from 2012, both CNN polls.  I think you can do the math. 

UGH...

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

This could literally go on for days... let's just agree to disagree...

Well, you have the numbers from 2004 and you have the numbers from 2012, both CNN polls.  I think you can do the math. 

UGH...

I look at the actual numbers, not at opinion.

Yes and no, you extrapolate facts to make a point that might not even be there.

you cannot compare polling from one year to another, unless they are actually based on the same methodolgy and reflect the particular electorate they're trying to guage.

I would need to look in the background of the 2004 poll... and there are representative issues in the CNN poll this year... but since I'm not umengus, I won't go into it.

Plus my flight is about to board, and I want another glass of wine beforehand...