Most stolen election of 2004

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1: Did the bin Laden tape four days before the election change he tide in favour for Bush?

2: What happened with the ballots in King County?

3: Though Jimmy Carter and the OAS found no evidence of fraud, the opposition continues to claim Chavez supporters rigged the vote.

4: What really happened with the "assassination attempt" on Chen on the day before the election?

5: Things were going well for the ALP when the Australian embassy in Indonesia was bombed. Did that make an effect?

6: As expected, Putin won reelection in a landslide. But did the state infestation of the media play a role?

7: Did the March 11 bombings flip the election, even though the last poll before the bombings put the Socialists two points ahead?

8: How many Yuschenko votes disappeared? Should Yuschenko have pulled a Gore and conceded?

9: Lukashenko set up a referendum on whether to overturn the constitutional amendment setting a two-term limit for presidents. See #7 for more explanation.

[Peter]

Write-In: PA-13.

[minionofmidas]

1: Did the bin Laden tape four days before the election change he tide in favour for Bush?

Why should it have?
Anyways, that was certainly not a stolen election.

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Thank God they didn't provide the decisive margin...that was definitely an unclean election, I the word "stolen" is not warranted though.

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It's not as if that opposition were to any extent trustworthy.

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Yeah, that's a mysterious one.

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May have...but that doesn't mean Howard ordered it.

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Yes.
Impossible to quantify though, as the effect is an indirect one.

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Not the bombings, the disgraceful conduct of the government afterwards.

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None. It's just that there were far more bogus Yanukovich than bogus Yuschenko votes, in an election that both sides were attempting to steal.

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No.

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Did you mean #6? Anyways that country is just a dictatorship - I'll count it out on that grounds, and vote for #8.

[Colin]

Only three their that I would constitute as stolen. The Venezuela Recall Referendum, the Ukrainian Election (First Runoff) and the Belarus Constitutional Referendum with the Russian Presidencial Race in a close fourth.

Oh and of course PA-13. That makes the Ukraine look like Switzerland.

[Keystone Phil]

Write-In: PA-13.

You guys are great. 

Could you imagine if I was serious about that? The PA 13 thread would reach 100 pages!

[Jake]

1: Did the bin Laden tape four days before the election change he tide in favour for Bush?

How is this stealing an election.  The missing weapons story is NO different.  NOT stolen

2: What happened with the ballots in King County?

Florida style irregularities, but not stolen from what I've seen.  NOT stolen

3: Though Jimmy Carter and the OAS found no evidence of fraud, the opposition continues to claim Chavez supporters rigged the vote.

Might've been stolen.  You really never know with a dictator like chavez. Possibly stolen

4: What really happened with the "assassination attempt" on Chen on the day before the election?

Don't know much about this one.

5: Things were going well for the ALP when the Australian embassy in Indonesia was bombed. Did that make an effect?

This is another bogus one.  Things happen during the campaign.  Some things hurt one side, some hurt the other. NOT  stolen

6: As expected, Putin won reelection in a landslide. But did the state infestation of the media play a role?

Not stolen, but certainly unfair

7: Did the March 11 bombings flip the election, even though the last poll before the bombings put the Socialists two points ahead?

Not stolen, but influenced by the bombings.

8: How many Yuschenko votes disappeared? Should Yuschenko have pulled a Gore and conceded?

Definitely stolen.  All proof points to a campaign to destroy Yuschenko's campaign.

9: Lukashenko set up a referendum on whether to overturn the constitutional amendment setting a two-term limit for presidents. See #7 for more explanation.

See #6

You need a better definition for stolen.  Things that happen during the campaign whether it be a bombing somewhere, a scandal, or another outside event, doesn't make a stolen election.  it may make it unfair, but not stolen.

I vote for Ukraine, the only one I believe was definitely stolen.

[Rococo4]

Obvioulsuy the Wash Gov race.

[Platypus]

Australia 2004 nwas NOT stolen. Itr was dissapointing, but not stolen. 2001 was worse, but again, not stolen. It's just that the ALP hit a terible trioo that sunk their (very very good chances). September 11, The Tampa (both not false) and Children Overboard (found to be a lie). Even without Children Overboard, the ALP would still have lost anyway, but not by as large a margin. Before September 11 and the Tampa, they'd've won, imho.

I voted Ukraine, because it was stolen and I actually know something about it, whilst some of the other choices I know very little about.

[J. J.]

Write-In: PA-13.

You guys are great. 

Could you imagine if I was serious about that? The PA 13 thread would reach 100 pages!

Hey, by the time the next one rolls around, it will be.  ;-)

[jaichind]

The March 19 2004 "shotting" of Chen Shui-Bien followed by a 0.22% margin of victory on the election the next day truely pushes the boundaries of how to steal elections.  All polls showed Chen about to lose by a 10% margin but a win was pulled out on a massive sympathy wave. 

The ROC oppsition controlled legislature, after Chen was "re-elected" formed a Warren Commission like entity to look into the events of March 19.  The ruling bloc boycotted the commission and did the utmost to block it from carrying out its duties.  First wave findings from the comission are on www.the139.org (which is in Chinese.)   It concluded that the shooting was for the purpose of influencing the election and that the shooting itself might have been fake and very well staged.  Since this comission was boycotted by the ruling Pan-Green allianace, the results are seen as partisan with Pan-Blue supporters accepting the findings and Pan-Green supporters rejecting.  Chen's approval rate is around the high 30s and lows 40s.  He will keep that base of support no matter what the commission finds.

[Notre Dame rules!]

WA  Governor's race was definitely stolen.  The Dems were determined to find or manufacture however many votes were necessary to win that one.  Doesn't speak well for democracy in the Pacific Northwest.

[went that way]

3: Though Jimmy Carter and the OAS found no evidence of fraud, the opposition continues to claim Chavez supporters rigged the vote.

"Might've been stolen.  You really never know with a dictator like chavez. Possibly stolen"
Chavez isn't a Dictator he's just popular remember that coup in 2002 against Chavez?

[Capey]

Ukraine

[Hitchabrut]

THe election in Ukraine was definitely stolen orignially

[bgwah]

WA  Governor's race was definitely stolen.  The Dems were determined to find or manufacture however many votes were necessary to win that one.  Doesn't speak well for democracy in the Pacific Northwest.

Well were all socialists and it rains here a lot, so you better stay away.

[Rob]

The Ukraine presidential, easily.

[Gustaf]

I define stolen as tampering with the actual ballots coming in to manufacture a result, not trying to influence voters leading upto the election in unethical or criminal ways.

Thus, only Ukraine and Washington are really in question, and I pick Ukraine because it's more clear-cut.