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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2012, 03:01:43 PM »

As far as my imagination, he didn't need any money when his dad passed, so why wouldn't he give it away like he did?

Because he obviously got the vast bulk of it transferred to him before his father died.  Don't you nkow how the rich operate, An?   Most of their money isn't even in the USA, its totally hidden.  This it the way with the rich.      

The only 'privilege' he's had in his life is going to prestigious Universities --

Even if this were true, it would be an utterly laughable defense of both the man and the ostensibly virtuous meritocracy that has produced him.
What rigged deck theory are you pushing?  Marxist class system? 
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Dude, it is obvious that anyone who could attend an Ivy League institution is a member of a privileged elite, and that 'merit' has nothing to do with their privilege.

And by the way, obviously the marxist class system analysis is correct, and your neoliberal fantasy is nothing but a subterfuge for a hideous slavery.
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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2012, 03:08:45 PM »

The only 'privilege' he's had in his life is going to prestigious Universities --

Even if this were true, it would be an utterly laughable defense of both the man and the ostensibly virtuous meritocracy that has produced him.
What rigged deck theory are you pushing?  Marxist class system? 

By no means; I'm a mainstream social liberal. I'm just giving an honest account of things; elite schools provide their students with an immense advantage over those who have not attended those institutions for reasons entirely unrelated to what is included in most definitions of 'merit.'
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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2012, 03:09:35 PM »

Are you seriously suggesting that the fact that his dad was a politician was the sole reason Bane Capital, and Mitt Romney made serious money? The evidence strongly suggests to me that Romney had a talent for stock speculation/finance. Whether that a plus, a negative or neutral in his race is separate question.

No, he got all his money because his father was rich, BS.  That is alwys why people get rich.



So, you are saying Steve Jobs ended with a net worth of several hundred million dollars because his adoptive parents were "rich?" Most people would assume that things like Pixar, and the iP___ had the most to do with it.
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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2012, 03:11:12 PM »

Mitt was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.

Obama was born in dugout and thinks he's Babe Ruth.
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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2012, 03:11:53 PM »

Dude, it is obvious that anyone who could attend an Ivy League institution is a member of a privileged elite, and that 'merit' has nothing to do with their privilege.

That is really indefensible.
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« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2012, 03:14:52 PM »

The only 'privilege' he's had in his life is going to prestigious Universities --

Even if this were true, it would be an utterly laughable defense of both the man and the ostensibly virtuous meritocracy that has produced him.
What rigged deck theory are you pushing?  Marxist class system? 

By no means; I'm a mainstream social liberal. I'm just giving an honest account of things; elite schools provide their students with an immense advantage over those who have not attended those institutions for reasons entirely unrelated to what is included in most definitions of 'merit.'

Unless, of course, admission to those "elite schools" is itself a measure of "merit." I don't dispute that there are kids who were admitted to Harvard because daddy went to Harvard and contributed thereafter. But, there are also kids admitted there based on their own "merits."
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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2012, 03:14:52 PM »

What else would you expect from a Radical Marxist Muslim professor? This is the same person who thought that the democrats wouldn't lose seats in 2010 because HE was in office. Typical Obama/Osama arrogance and when he loses on November 6, he won't know what hit him.

Isn't it hilarious the moment Politico leaves guys like these pop up?

Also mods.

Mmmm... That's suspicious.
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« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2012, 03:15:17 PM »

So, you are saying Steve Jobs ended with a net worth of several hundred million dollars because his adoptive parents were "rich?" Most people would assume that things like Pixar, and the iP___ had the most to do with it.

Sure, he only got those things because an army of poor working stiffs he controlled because of his privilege created them for him.  Don't you understand capitalism at all, BS?

Dude, it is obvious that anyone who could attend an Ivy League institution is a member of a privileged elite, and that 'merit' has nothing to do with their privilege.

That is really indefensible.

Why?  Don't tell, me, you're attending Dart-mouth?
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« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2012, 03:17:24 PM »

Unless, of course, admission to those "elite schools" is itself a measure of "merit." I don't dispute that there are kids who were admitted to Harvard because daddy went to Harvard and contributed thereafter. But, there are also kids admitted there based on their own "merits."

That's crazy, man.  They are admitted because they're rich - even the unimportant ones (that aren't Romney's or Bushs or that ilk) have to pay $60,000/year or more to attend.
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« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2012, 03:32:31 PM »

So, you are saying Steve Jobs ended with a net worth of several hundred million dollars because his adoptive parents were "rich?" Most people would assume that things like Pixar, and the iP___ had the most to do with it.

Sure, he only got those things because an army of poor working stiffs he controlled because of his privilege created them for him.  Don't you understand capitalism at all, BS?

Again, millions, if not tens of millions, of Americans were born as "privileged" as Steve Jobs. If ones level of "privilege" were the deciding factor, the millions of Americans born more "privileged" ought to have outperformed Jobs. Why didn't they?

What you seem to fail to grasp is that Jobs was given command of "an army of working stiffs" precisely because the system realized he issued the better orders.
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« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2012, 03:37:31 PM »
« Edited: October 09, 2012, 03:41:31 PM by Big Bird Voter »

Obama's Achilles heel is his smug arrogant professorial side, which was shown.  That being said it is always a problem when campaign finger pointing leaks out to the media. We have seen some of that from the Romney campaign in the last month and it looks like members of the debate prep team for Obama are now leaking to save face, throwing their own candidate under the bus.
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« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2012, 03:38:32 PM »

Well, I would've too considering Mitt was banging on about Big bird and getting far too angry.

There's one camp "banging on" about Big Bird. Hint: not Romney's campaign.
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« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2012, 03:54:38 PM »
« Edited: October 09, 2012, 03:57:16 PM by AmericanNation »

As far as my imagination, he didn't need any money when his dad passed, so why wouldn't he give it away like he did?

Because he obviously got the vast bulk of it transferred to him before his father died.  Don't you nkow how the rich operate, An?   Most of their money isn't even in the USA, its totally hidden.  This it the way with the rich.      

I know all about it.  Still, someone worth hundreds of millions in his peak earning years would have little reason to pocket something like a 10 million dollar inheritance.  Especially considering the tax consequences, a donation to a school bearing your father's name looks much more attractive than cutting a 5 to 7 million dollar check to the treasury department.

The only 'privilege' he's had in his life is going to prestigious Universities --

Even if this were true, it would be an utterly laughable defense of both the man and the ostensibly virtuous meritocracy that has produced him.
What rigged deck theory are you pushing?  Marxist class system?  

Dude, it is obvious that anyone who could attend an Ivy League institution is a member of a privileged elite, and that 'merit' has nothing to do with their privilege.

And by the way, obviously the marxist class system analysis is correct, and your neoliberal fantasy is nothing but a subterfuge for a hideous slavery.

My "hideous slavery" is far less hideous than Marxist slavery/tyranny.  Just ask my great-grand parents or Cuban refugees.  Also the least "hideous" and least "slave-ish" system shouldn't be called hideous slavery at all even if some vague illusion exists.    
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« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2012, 03:56:33 PM »

Gore's staff had to show him the SNL parody convince him how bad his eyerolls were.
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« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2012, 04:21:32 PM »

Dude, it is obvious that anyone who could attend an Ivy League institution is a member of a privileged elite, and that 'merit' has nothing to do with their privilege.

That is really indefensible.

Roughly 2/3rds of all students at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford receive grants that cover more than half their cost of attendance.  Furthermore, at these 4 schools, students from families with household incomes under $60,000 are asked to contribute nothing beyond the earnings from a part time job on campus.  That's more than half of all households in America that qualify for a free ride!  I am aware this wasn't the case in Mitt's era, but it is today.  However, this is also a strong argument that you can have a functional, productive society where only a small minority of the population pays taxes on net.

*Yes, I know about selection bias.   
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« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2012, 04:23:32 PM »

He is an arrogant man. We knew that already.

He's also a very very dumb man.   He's way below average in intellegence, and his thinking he'd won just proves it even more.   Stupid people often think they did well, when they didn't.
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« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2012, 04:34:05 PM »

Actually, stupid people generally know they are stupid by the time they reach adulthood, so they tend not to overestimate themselves.

Obama's not stupid, he just had a bad debate. Since a lot of it was just due to his facial expressions, stance, uneven speaking, and letting Romney get the last word on everything, it's not a surprise that he didn't notice it. I didn't notice it when reading the transcript, either.

Obama did well in the debate on logic. Where he lost was on style. Debate is an art, not a science. If it was a verbal variant of doing proofs, with and's and or's and Q.E.D.s, then Obama's perception would have been accurate. Where Obama went wrong is that he needs to realize it's a performance. It's not about memorizing the policy reasoning, it's more like talking to someone around your kitchen table. You've got to appeal to people's gut.
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2012, 04:37:29 PM »

This thread needs to be purged with fire. And perhaps also the sword.
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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2012, 04:44:54 PM »



Obama's not stupid, he just had a bad debate. Since a lot of it was just due to his facial expressions, stance, uneven speaking, and letting Romney get the last word on everything, it's not a surprise that he didn't notice it. I didn't notice it when reading the transcript, either.


Except Obama got the last word and spoke looooooonger.
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« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2012, 05:31:27 PM »

...Obama:
1) spoke way looooooonger
2) got propped up by the moderator
3) lost every point on logic AND debate scoring
4) instinctively knew he should abandon his campaign "lines" because Romney was systematically destroying them. 
5) showed himself to be extremely shallow and or dishonest with the 5 trillion nonsense repeated 3 times. 

etc.

...why wouldn't he think he won? LOL   
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« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2012, 05:39:55 PM »

This kind of goes in opposition to the story I read over the weekend, that suggested Obama was 'pissed' after the debate...
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« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2012, 06:25:11 PM »

Obama was born in dugout and thinks he's Babe Ruth.

What the hell does this even mean? Seriously.
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« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2012, 06:26:03 PM »

Didn't George W. Bush feel like he won the 1st debate too?
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« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2012, 06:33:29 PM »

As someone who has never been able to figure out the correlation between the self-satisfaction from teaching a course and student evaluations, I empathize.
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« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2012, 06:37:48 PM »

Obama was born in dugout and thinks he's Babe Ruth.

What the hell does this even mean? Seriously.

It means that Obama has (or had) a highly inflated view of his own abilities.
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