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« on: January 31, 2005, 10:09:59 pm »

what potential nominee from each party is most unelectable? 

PLEASE, let's keep this discussion on people who have a legitimate shot of actually winning the nomination...so dont say nancy pelosi and alan keyes...

here are my choices:

republican:  rick santorum
democrat:  howard dean (though i like him)...narrowly edges out hillary for this dubious honor/
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2005, 10:15:39 pm »


republican:  rick santorum


Besides Santorum vs. Bayh, give me a scenario where Santorum would by like to lose.

Whether you like the guy or hate him, you have to admit that he's not as unelectable as some would love to believe.
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2005, 10:17:44 pm »

Why is Santorum unelectable?
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2005, 10:18:08 pm »




Even in this situation, as bad as it looks for the GOP, Santorum would win 270-268 and that's with almost everything going in the Dems favor.
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2005, 10:19:33 pm »

Why is Santorum unelectable?

Because some people absolutley despise him and let that cloud their judgement. In reality, he is definetley electable.
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2005, 10:19:52 pm »

if i were santorum...id worry about 2006.  he really has no room for comfort.

most any democrat would beat him nationally.
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2005, 10:20:56 pm »


republican:  rick santorum


Besides Santorum vs. Bayh, give me a scenario where Santorum would by like to lose.

Whether you like the guy or hate him, you have to admit that he's not as unelectable as some would love to believe.

Santorum's idiotic ideas about individual rights ( that they shouldn't exist) would destroy him in a national election

He would lose to
Bayh
Clark
Richardson
Vilsack
Kerry
Edwards
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2005, 10:21:40 pm »

most any democrat would beat him nationally.

So I ask again (I really do enjoy when Santorum haters avoid this): Give me someone that is likely to win the Dem nomination that could beat Santorum and show me a map.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2005, 10:22:02 pm »

Hillary.  Dean's going  to be DNC chair Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2005, 10:22:27 pm »


republican:  rick santorum


Besides Santorum vs. Bayh, give me a scenario where Santorum would by like to lose.

Whether you like the guy or hate him, you have to admit that he's not as unelectable as some would love to believe.

Santorum's idiotic ideas about individual rights ( that they shouldn't exist) would destroy him in a national election

He would lose to
Bayh
Clark
Richardson
Vilsack
Kerry
Edwards
and more

He'd lose to Kerry? Good one, Smash.

Show me a map.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2005, 10:24:49 pm »

most any democrat would beat him nationally.

So I ask again (I really do enjoy when Santorum haters avoid this): Give me someone that is likely to win the Dem nomination that could beat Santorum and show me a map.

phil, any widely mentioned potential nominee could beat santorum. except hillary or dean.
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2005, 10:25:19 pm »

most any democrat would beat him nationally.

So I ask again (I really do enjoy when Santorum haters avoid this): Give me someone that is likely to win the Dem nomination that could beat Santorum and show me a map.

phil, any widely mentioned potential nominee could beat santorum. except hillary or dean.

Great reasoning, Walter. Once again...map please...
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2005, 10:28:41 pm »

Republican:  Rudy Giuliani  -  Toooo many skeletons in that closet.  I dont care if their still in there or already out.  Plus, the far right will run a third party candidate and he will get ALOT of votes.

Democrats:    John Kerry  -  I really cannot think of one state that he didnt win this time that he could win next time.
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2005, 10:28:52 pm »

if i were santorum...id worry about 2006.  he really has no room for comfort.

most any democrat would beat him nationally.

Mark my words, Santorum will win... comfortably.  The only candidate who can beat him is Casey and Casey wants to be governor.

At anyrate

Republican: Bill Frist

Democrat: probably Dean
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2005, 10:29:08 pm »

Fix your map, Smash.
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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2005, 10:29:29 pm »


republican:  rick santorum


Besides Santorum vs. Bayh, give me a scenario where Santorum would by like to lose.

Whether you like the guy or hate him, you have to admit that he's not as unelectable as some would love to believe.

Santorum's idiotic ideas about individual rights ( that they shouldn't exist) would destroy him in a national election

He would lose to
Bayh
Clark
Richardson
Vilsack
Kerry
Edwards
and more

He'd lose to Kerry? Good one, Smash.

Show me a map.

Kerry vs Santorum

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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2005, 10:30:21 pm »

if i were santorum...id worry about 2006.  he really has no room for comfort.

most any democrat would beat him nationally.

Mark my words, Santorum will win... comfortably.  The only candidate who can beat him is Casey and Casey wants to be governor.

We can say that a thousand times and they still won't believe it. They're going to put their faith in Hafer and Hoeffel and really believe they can win!
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2005, 10:31:13 pm »

So wait, Kerry would do better in Ohio against Santorum... a true social populist, than he did against Bush.  It is to laugh.
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2005, 10:32:25 pm »

We can say that a thousand times and they still won't believe it. They're going to put their faith in Hafer and Hoeffel and really believe they can win!

Rendell obviously isnt running for Senate because he will be running for re-election.  But if he did decide to run for some reason or another could he beat Santorum?
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2005, 10:32:53 pm »

We can say that a thousand times and they still won't believe it. They're going to put their faith in Hafer and Hoeffel and really believe they can win!

Rendell obviously isnt running for Senate because he will be running for re-election.  But if he did decide to run for some reason or another could he beat Santorum?

Nope
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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2005, 10:33:11 pm »

if i were santorum...id worry about 2006.  he really has no room for comfort.

most any democrat would beat him nationally.

Mark my words, Santorum will win... comfortably.  The only candidate who can beat him is Casey and Casey wants to be governor.

We can say that a thousand times and they still won't believe it. They're going to put their faith in Hafer and Hoeffel and really believe they can win!

Need I say this again:

Highest approval rating of any sitting Senator
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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2005, 10:33:40 pm »

So wait, Kerry would do better in Ohio against Santorum... a true social populist, than he did against Bush.  It is to laugh.

With someone like bayh as his VP he would
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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2005, 10:34:21 pm »

We can say that a thousand times and they still won't believe it. They're going to put their faith in Hafer and Hoeffel and really believe they can win!

Rendell obviously isnt running for Senate because he will be running for re-election.  But if he did decide to run for some reason or another could he beat Santorum?

If the Republicans can manage to field a decent candidate, like Lynn Swann, Redell won't even win his own reelection.
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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2005, 10:34:31 pm »

if i were santorum...id worry about 2006.  he really has no room for comfort.

most any democrat would beat him nationally.

Mark my words, Santorum will win... comfortably.  The only candidate who can beat him is Casey and Casey wants to be governor.

We can say that a thousand times and they still won't believe it. They're going to put their faith in Hafer and Hoeffel and really believe they can win!

Need I say this again:

Highest approval rating of any sitting Senator

Ha...don't bother, Super. Don't bother. They refuse to listen to that...
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2005, 10:35:18 pm »

We can say that a thousand times and they still won't believe it. They're going to put their faith in Hafer and Hoeffel and really believe they can win!

Rendell obviously isnt running for Senate because he will be running for re-election.  But if he did decide to run for some reason or another could he beat Santorum?

If the Republicans can manage to field a decent candidate, like Lynn Swann, Redell won't even win his own reelection.

I'm not sure if Swann can beat Rendell but I agree that he isn't a lock for re-election as most Dems, and even many Republicans, believe.
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