cost of living in Lapland?

[© tweed]

if I had say an $800k-$1m inheritance would I be able to live with minimal or no employment in Lapland? 

what sort of access would I have to a social wage?

[LastVoter]

if I had say an $800k-$1m inheritance would I be able to live with minimal or no employment in Lapland? 

what sort of access would I have to a social wage?

No, it's a Nordic country, probably more expensive than USA, except maybe for some cities.

[politicus]

if I had say an $800k-$1m inheritance would I be able to live with minimal or no employment in Lapland? 

what sort of access would I have to a social wage?

Depends on what kind of living standard you expect and how good you are at money management. But property prices are very low in rural Northern Sweden and Finland and you would be able to supplement your food budget with fishing and low cost hunting, so yes, its definetly possible. You would be able to buy a small bit of forest too, so you would have wood for a stove.
I am not sure what you mean by a social wage.
Norway is more expensive than the other two countries.

[© tweed]

I am not sure what you mean by a social wage.

welfare state (assuming resident non-citizen status)


you think I'd be better off in remote Sweden/Norway?

[politicus]

I am not sure what you mean by a social wage.

welfare state (assuming resident non-citizen status)

not with a private fortune that big. 

I have no idea if you would be better off. Wouldnt you have the same options in remote areas of the US?

[© tweed]

I am not sure what you mean by a social wage.

welfare state (assuming resident non-citizen status)

not with a private fortune that big. 

what if I hid it all in cash and gold under the mattress?

[LastVoter]

I am not sure what you mean by a social wage.

welfare state (assuming resident non-citizen status)

not with a private fortune that big. 

I have no idea if you would be better off. Wouldnt you have the same options in remote areas of the US?

You see there are healthcare costs. Also tweed should consider energy costs.

[politicus]

I am not sure what you mean by a social wage.

welfare state (assuming resident non-citizen status)

not with a private fortune that big. 

I have no idea if you would be better off. Wouldn't you have the same options in remote areas of the US?

You see there are healthcare costs. Also tweed should consider energy costs.

The difference in health care costs are partly offset by the difference in taxation on the interests of his fortune and/or income from shares, that's why I asked about his thoughts on money management. Besides healthcare is no longer completely free for foreigners, at least not in Sweden.

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

Better off going to Thailand.

[© tweed]

Better off going to Thailand.

Eastern Europe, better -- the fantasy of taking the 16 year old peasant girl straight off the farm.

[© tweed]

Better off going to Thailand.

Eastern Europe, better -- the fantasy of taking the 16 year old peasant girl straight off the farm.

how do you get her to lose the restraint?  a frightening number of heterosexual relationships are not partnerships between equals, I learn this every day canvassing, and the nature of this particular fantasy would only serve to exacerbate the effect.

say everything works out: I get my $1m, hide it sufficently to keep it from governments and whoever else, and 'acquire' a reverse-mail-order bride, call her Alicja.  she's a virgin, of course, or at least that is what I am sold and I make no move to falsify it.  everything goes well, I'm in backwoods Poland, cheap vodka reigns, the world-weary bearded Tweed and Alicja, who went from 100-hour weeks of backbreaking labor to this strange life of leisure in no-time.

...I see her as timid, avoiding my glance, blushing furiously.  so anxiety-ridden she can't boil pasta correctly.  always willing to give in to my advances, but never daring to initiate any of her own... what I would do, for just that once!  for Alicia, to desire me, not to need me, but to desire me!  and to draw her ire in a matter!  when I cross her, for her to call me on it!  for her to be FURIOUS at me, the man who saved her from a life of anonymous ruin!  and then to cuddle with her after we've made-up, to see a tired, satisfied, knowing and calm gleam emanating from her eyes, knowing she has something on me, too...

[Simfan34]

Tweed, are you arguing with yourself?

[Gustaf]

Better off going to Thailand.

Eastern Europe, better -- the fantasy of taking the 16 year old peasant girl straight off the farm.

how do you get her to lose the restraint?  a frightening number of heterosexual relationships are not partnerships between equals, I learn this every day canvassing, and the nature of this particular fantasy would only serve to exacerbate the effect.

say everything works out: I get my $1m, hide it sufficently to keep it from governments and whoever else, and 'acquire' a reverse-mail-order bride, call her Alicja.  she's a virgin, of course, or at least that is what I am sold and I make no move to falsify it.  everything goes well, I'm in backwoods Poland, cheap vodka reigns, the world-weary bearded Tweed and Alicja, who went from 100-hour weeks of backbreaking labor to this strange life of leisure in no-time.

...I see her as timid, avoiding my glance, blushing furiously.  so anxiety-ridden she can't boil pasta correctly.  always willing to give in to my advances, but never daring to initiate any of her own... what I would do, for just that once!  for Alicia, to desire me, not to need me, but to desire me!  and to draw her ire in a matter!  when I cross her, for her to call me on it!  for her to be FURIOUS at me, the man who saved her from a life of anonymous ruin!  and then to cuddle with her after we've made-up, to see a tired, satisfied, knowing and calm gleam emanating from her eyes, knowing she has something on me, too...

Sorry to burst the bubble, but you don't import wives from Poland, it isn't sufficiently anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist to develop the level of poverty and inequality required for such an industry to flourish. Russia or the Ukraine are better bets.

That is, on the other hand, common. Lapland is filled with sad and lonely men, left behind by women who go to university and move to the cities. Those men often import wives from East Asia or Eastern Europe. So you'd fit right in.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

How typical of a Stockholmer to show distain for rural Sweden.

[© tweed]

Better off going to Thailand.

Eastern Europe, better -- the fantasy of taking the 16 year old peasant girl straight off the farm.

how do you get her to lose the restraint?  a frightening number of heterosexual relationships are not partnerships between equals, I learn this every day canvassing, and the nature of this particular fantasy would only serve to exacerbate the effect.

say everything works out: I get my $1m, hide it sufficently to keep it from governments and whoever else, and 'acquire' a reverse-mail-order bride, call her Alicja.  she's a virgin, of course, or at least that is what I am sold and I make no move to falsify it.  everything goes well, I'm in backwoods Poland, cheap vodka reigns, the world-weary bearded Tweed and Alicja, who went from 100-hour weeks of backbreaking labor to this strange life of leisure in no-time.

...I see her as timid, avoiding my glance, blushing furiously.  so anxiety-ridden she can't boil pasta correctly.  always willing to give in to my advances, but never daring to initiate any of her own... what I would do, for just that once!  for Alicia, to desire me, not to need me, but to desire me!  and to draw her ire in a matter!  when I cross her, for her to call me on it!  for her to be FURIOUS at me, the man who saved her from a life of anonymous ruin!  and then to cuddle with her after we've made-up, to see a tired, satisfied, knowing and calm gleam emanating from her eyes, knowing she has something on me, too...

Sorry to burst the bubble, but you don't import wives from Poland, it isn't sufficiently anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist to develop the level of poverty and inequality required for such an industry to flourish. Russia or the Ukraine are better bets.

That is, on the other hand, common. Lapland is filled with sad and lonely men, left behind by women who go to university and move to the cities. Those men often import wives from East Asia or Eastern Europe. So you'd fit right in.

the idea of Russia, ground zero of shock therapy, as anti-capitalist, is amusing, but regardless!  thanks for the advice.  a shift from Poland to Ukraine does nothing to alter the essence of my story.

[opebo]

I like Tweed's tale, and as usual Gustaf has no idea what he's talking about.

I see your point Tweed, if you prefer the whites you'd be better off in eastern Europe (though technically they're Slavs, not sure if that is a 'white' in the strictest sense, but whatever). 

However, if your fantasy is about some girl in poverty/backbreaking labor, I think you'll find those all over the United States, if you just look around.  Perhaps your Romantic Tourism can be accomplished at the Wendy's Drive Through just as easily as in the lapland.

[ingemann]

I am not sure what you mean by a social wage.

welfare state (assuming resident non-citizen status)

not with a private fortune that big. 

what if I hid it all in cash and gold under the mattress?

In that case they wouldn't let you in.

[© tweed]

I like Tweed's tale, and as usual Gustaf has no idea what he's talking about.

I see your point Tweed, if you prefer the whites you'd be better off in eastern Europe (though technically they're Slavs, not sure if that is a 'white' in the strictest sense, but whatever). 

However, if your fantasy is about some girl in poverty/backbreaking labor, I think you'll find those all over the United States, if you just look around.  Perhaps your Romantic Tourism can be accomplished at the Wendy's Drive Through just as easily as in the lapland.

but the grease-soaked American versions are all fat and incapable of abstract thought.

[Gustaf]

I like Tweed's tale, and as usual Gustaf has no idea what he's talking about.

I see your point Tweed, if you prefer the whites you'd be better off in eastern Europe (though technically they're Slavs, not sure if that is a 'white' in the strictest sense, but whatever). 

However, if your fantasy is about some girl in poverty/backbreaking labor, I think you'll find those all over the United States, if you just look around.  Perhaps your Romantic Tourism can be accomplished at the Wendy's Drive Through just as easily as in the lapland.

With all due respect, I know how to import wives into my own country.

Johan, I'm not hating on Skåne (I have a separate set of prejudices for you guys!). Don't be such a Centerpartist about looking down on rural people.

Tweed, though this is not about politics, considering Russia to be capitalist is quite amusing. A country where the state will imprison the wealthy in order to seize their assets is not a free market society, nor anything close to it.

Regardless, you want to exploit the poor without asking questions about where they come from. I can respect that as long as you don't pretend to have any kind of social conscience about it. That's when it becomes offensive and forces me to mock it. If you and Opebo could be honest about being evil reactionaries I wouldn't give you such a hard time, you know.

[© tweed]

I don't consider this a 'hard time', I consider it to be a soundboard, part of a dialogue.  I was glad you commented on the vignette.

[LastVoter]

I like Tweed's tale, and as usual Gustaf has no idea what he's talking about.

I see your point Tweed, if you prefer the whites you'd be better off in eastern Europe (though technically they're Slavs, not sure if that is a 'white' in the strictest sense, but whatever). 

However, if your fantasy is about some girl in poverty/backbreaking labor, I think you'll find those all over the United States, if you just look around.  Perhaps your Romantic Tourism can be accomplished at the Wendy's Drive Through just as easily as in the lapland.

With all due respect, I know how to import wives into my own country.

Johan, I'm not hating on Skåne (I have a separate set of prejudices for you guys!). Don't be such a Centerpartist about looking down on rural people.

Tweed, though this is not about politics, considering Russia to be capitalist is quite amusing. A country where the state will imprison the wealthy in order to seize their assets is not a free market society, nor anything close to it.

Regardless, you want to exploit the poor without asking questions about where they come from. I can respect that as long as you don't pretend to have any kind of social conscience about it. That's when it becomes offensive and forces me to mock it. If you and Opebo could be honest about being evil reactionaries I wouldn't give you such a hard time, you know.

Most pure capitalism neoliberalism requires lack of democracy/proper judicial system, so there is no inconsistency.

[© tweed]

I like Tweed's tale, and as usual Gustaf has no idea what he's talking about.

I see your point Tweed, if you prefer the whites you'd be better off in eastern Europe (though technically they're Slavs, not sure if that is a 'white' in the strictest sense, but whatever). 

However, if your fantasy is about some girl in poverty/backbreaking labor, I think you'll find those all over the United States, if you just look around.  Perhaps your Romantic Tourism can be accomplished at the Wendy's Drive Through just as easily as in the lapland.

With all due respect, I know how to import wives into my own country.

Johan, I'm not hating on Skåne (I have a separate set of prejudices for you guys!). Don't be such a Centerpartist about looking down on rural people.

Tweed, though this is not about politics, considering Russia to be capitalist is quite amusing. A country where the state will imprison the wealthy in order to seize their assets is not a free market society, nor anything close to it.

Regardless, you want to exploit the poor without asking questions about where they come from. I can respect that as long as you don't pretend to have any kind of social conscience about it. That's when it becomes offensive and forces me to mock it. If you and Opebo could be honest about being evil reactionaries I wouldn't give you such a hard time, you know.

Most pure capitalism neoliberalism requires lack of democracy/proper judicial system, so there is no inconsistency.

while we could turn this into a full-fledged doctrinal war with Gustaf, that was not the intent of my thread here and the issues are sure to pop up elsewhere, so may we cease and desist...

[Tender Branson]

Why would you live in Lapland of all places when you could live in Minnesota ?

[opebo]

Why would you live in Lapland of all places when you could live in Minnesota ?

Asked and answered, tenderB:

However, if your fantasy is about some girl in poverty/backbreaking labor, I think you'll find those all over the United States, if you just look around.  Perhaps your Romantic Tourism can be accomplished at the Wendy's Drive Through just as easily as in the lapland.

but the grease-soaked American versions are all fat and incapable of abstract thought.

[opebo]

With all due respect, I know how to import wives into my own country.

You are one up on me there, horndog.  But the ignorance to which I referred was your characterization of other countries, and the economic policies which lead to this that and the other thing.   

If you and Opebo could be honest about being evil reactionaries I wouldn't give you such a hard time, you know.

No one feels you're 'giving us a hard time', Gustaf.  You're just revealing your comical delusions. We quite enjoy it.