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« on: October 20, 2012, 07:22:45 PM »
« edited: October 20, 2012, 07:28:32 PM by Clinton1996 "Sec. of Explaining Stuff" »

Reports are coming in saying they're opening offices in Pennslvania and starting an Arab outreach group for Michigan. Is Romney really getting that ahead of himself? He's not ahead, he's tied nationally. He doesn't have the resources or the lead to be spending money in safe to lean Obama states.
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2012, 07:25:22 PM »

It just doesn't make any sense. Why lower the chance at winning in general just to increase the chance of winning by a large margin? The Presidency is the Presidency, whether it's with 270 or 370. It doesn't seem like a wise move, unless he knows something about these places that we nor Charlie Cook and his insiders know (which, who knows, he may).
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2012, 07:51:46 PM »

It just doesn't make any sense. Why lower the chance at winning in general just to increase the chance of winning by a large margin?

If he can pull it off, he gets Republicans to take over the Senate.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2012, 07:54:12 PM »

This isn't going to work for Mittens.  Although, its not like Romney is hurting for money.  I'm sure he's not taking resources out of the other swing states, but still, I think its a dumb move.
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2012, 08:19:01 PM »

It just doesn't make any sense. Why lower the chance at winning in general just to increase the chance of winning by a large margin?

If he can pull it off, he gets Republicans to take over the Senate.
Just by the winning the states? Not so likely. Bob Casey, for example, as awful a campaigner as he's been, isn't going to lose just because Romney wins the state. It would take so much more than a 51-49 Romney win to hand that election over in the end to Tom Smith. I'm sure that is true of these others as well. Look at McCaskill in Missouri, for instance. It just doesn't look like it's worth the risk, at least, not during your one shot in your life at the Presidency.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2012, 08:41:05 PM »

As I pointed out in another thread, if the Arab-Americans for Romney group is intended to help in any state it is in Ohio, not Michigan.  Arab-Americans are found in above average numbers there and Ohio is a close state that could be difference between winning and losing.  What is surprising is that they waited so long to form such a group.  They've had an Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders for Romney group up and running for months now.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2012, 08:59:13 PM »

Pretty sure his internals are better than the average of the polls, you guys are obviously in for a surprise.  You believe there will be a turnout = >to 08 for the Dems.  Your polls have led you to believe this.

I am super confident you won't have more than 1/2 the turnout advantage you had in 08, you kid yourself if you think otherwise.  If you reweight the polls to that you would see that you're losing and it's continuing to break.  

Your lib polls (P M S being the biggest offenders) keep showing moves to Romney but with the same turnout as 08 or better, think about that......  

Team Obama does not look like a team that is ahead they look and act like they are losing and panicking.
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2012, 09:06:51 PM »

LoL how do you say head fake in Farsi? This may have had more credibility if camp romney was already playing in the state and they were sending in reinforcements, they are doing this because they want OFA to give less attention to Ohio. Not gonna happen.
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2012, 09:12:19 PM »

Why is Obama shooting a machine gun at all the white people?  Is this some sort of "scary black man with a gun" cliche?
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2012, 09:14:40 PM »

Why is Obama shooting a machine gun at all the white people?  Is this some sort of "scary black man with a gun" cliche?
Honestly I have no idea, I just found it on google and thought it was funny.
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2012, 11:45:41 PM »

Right now, Romney's side has more money for the final stretch. Widening the playing field is the way to go.
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2012, 12:16:13 AM »

Right now, Romney's side has more money for the final stretch. Widening the playing field is the way to go.

Yes but it's just 2 weeks left. Mr let Detroit go bankrupt can have a billion dollars but voters are going to reject it like they did to meg whitman when she tried to buy the election in California.
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2012, 12:38:21 AM »

All I have to say is that if Mother Jones has a "There are millions of Americans who deserved to be unemployed" Romney video, this is the time.  Barring that, he probably just became the favorite.
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2012, 02:10:13 AM »

I wouldn't call it "cocky." Let's face it Romney has a lot of funds, he's probably put in as much money as could be useful into Ohio and other swing states. Facing the options of either (1) go after the true swing states and have funds after the election and (2) spend all his funds and try to expand into lean D states and make President Obama consider spending more money in those states and the small chance of swinging one of them, I think the choice would be number (2).

Basically, Romney has very little to lose by going after MI and PA (even though, let's face it PA is not going Republican for a very long time it is the single biggest tease for the GOP every four years and MI isn't likely either).
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2012, 02:29:14 AM »

If Romney loses the republicans will be blamed for passing over a true conservatve rick santorum. In 1994 Romney was no conservative. Today he's a moderate this pass June he was a conservative then in September they pulled out the etch a sketch so today he's a moderate looking for other votes besides republicans.

Vote Obama/Biden
Just makes more sense
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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2012, 06:58:44 AM »

Reports are coming in saying they're opening offices in Pennslvania and starting an Arab outreach group for Michigan. Is Romney really getting that ahead of himself? He's not ahead, he's tied nationally. He doesn't have the resources or the lead to be spending money in safe to lean Obama states.
It reminds me of when George W. Bush was campaigning in California the last weeks of the 2000 election.
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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2012, 09:24:21 AM »

Reports are coming in saying they're opening offices in Pennslvania and starting an Arab outreach group for Michigan. Is Romney really getting that ahead of himself? He's not ahead, he's tied nationally. He doesn't have the resources or the lead to be spending money in safe to lean Obama states.
It reminds me of when George W. Bush was campaigning in California the last weeks of the 2000 election.

No, letting someone do something locally that might get a few votes is fine.

Diverting resources to another state would be cocky.
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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2012, 09:26:16 AM »

Reports are coming in saying they're opening offices in Pennslvania and starting an Arab outreach group for Michigan. Is Romney really getting that ahead of himself? He's not ahead, he's tied nationally. He doesn't have the resources or the lead to be spending money in safe to lean Obama states.
It reminds me of when George W. Bush was campaigning in California the last weeks of the 2000 election.

No, letting someone do something locally that might get a few votes is fine.
Diverting resources to another state would be cocky.
Turns out Romney doesn't want to do it, but Super Pacs are pressuring him to. They want him to pull out of Nirth Carolina and go to Pennsylvania.
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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2012, 11:05:47 AM »

Reports are coming in saying they're opening offices in Pennslvania and starting an Arab outreach group for Michigan. Is Romney really getting that ahead of himself? He's not ahead, he's tied nationally. He doesn't have the resources or the lead to be spending money in safe to lean Obama states.
It reminds me of when George W. Bush was campaigning in California the last weeks of the 2000 election.

No, letting someone do something locally that might get a few votes is fine.
Diverting resources to another state would be cocky.
Turns out Romney doesn't want to do it, but Super Pacs are pressuring him to. They want him to pull out of Nirth Carolina and go to Pennsylvania.


The superpacs are not spending any money here.  Roll Eyes

It makes a great deal of sense to pull out of NC, and divert the money to OH, IA, CO and WI.  Unless there are better numbers than I've seen, PA makes no sense. 
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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2012, 11:44:52 AM »

I wouldn't call it "cocky." Let's face it Romney has a lot of funds, he's probably put in as much money as could be useful into Ohio and other swing states. Facing the options of either (1) go after the true swing states and have funds after the election and (2) spend all his funds and try to expand into lean D states and make President Obama consider spending more money in those states and the small chance of swinging one of them, I think the choice would be number (2).

Basically, Romney has very little to lose by going after MI and PA (even though, let's face it PA is not going Republican for a very long time it is the single biggest tease for the GOP every four years and MI isn't likely either).

Exactly! If nothing else, Romney would move the national polls in his direction. In terms of electoral votes that might not matter, but, it would create psychological momentum.
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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2012, 11:48:06 AM »

NC is still a tossup and early voting is showing Democratic strength and organization in the state. Romney would be an idiot to pull out now so that he can waste money in a state that Obama is going to win.
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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2012, 12:36:23 PM »

NC is still a tossup and early voting is showing Democratic strength and organization in the state. Romney would be an idiot to pull out now so that he can waste money in a state that Obama is going to win.

QFT.
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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2012, 12:52:43 PM »

NC is still a tossup and early voting is showing Democratic strength and organization in the state. Romney would be an idiot to pull out now so that he can waste money in a state that Obama is going to win.

There is a difference between a battleground and a tossup. Team Obama are trying their best in NC, but it appears mostly to tie down Romney who has to win it at this point.
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