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« on: October 21, 2012, 06:35:39 PM »

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/263141-international-monitors-at-polling-places-draw-criticism-from-voter-fraud-group


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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2012, 06:52:26 PM »

A very good reason to leave the UN. 
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2012, 06:54:22 PM »

If we can inspect other countries' elections, they can inspect ours. After all, 2000 was obviously stolen, and 2004 was iffy at best.
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2012, 06:57:14 PM »

A very good reason to leave the UN. 

What?  Why?
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2012, 06:57:20 PM »

No election is safe from fraud, and lord knows ours certainly aren't. The UN has a universal job to do, and I'm very happy to know that they will be looking over the shoulders of the shady (I'm looking at you, Tagg's electronic voting machine company).
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2012, 06:58:55 PM »

Good news - we don't want Romney pulling a Bush if this thing comes down to the wire.
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2012, 07:00:56 PM »

Pretty embarrassing, but I can see why...
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2012, 07:04:36 PM »

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We're going to have people from nations who don't have elections to be making sure our elections work correctly. Right...
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2012, 07:08:26 PM »

I really don't see anything wrong with this.
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2012, 07:13:12 PM »

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with this.  How could this hurt anybody other than people attempting the disenfranchise voters?
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2012, 07:20:03 PM »

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We're going to have people from nations who don't have elections to be making sure our elections work correctly. Right...

All of those nations hold elections except Belarus, and all except the last 3 are liberal democracies.
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2012, 07:20:14 PM »

Well, thank God. After ACORN fell apart, I didn't know what we'd do...
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2012, 07:21:22 PM »

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We're going to have people from nations who don't have elections to be making sure our elections work correctly. Right...

All of those nations hold elections except Belarus, and all except the last 3 are liberal democracies.

I'm well aware of that. There's just a particular irony of going to the polls monitored by the Belarusians. Maybe they won't be allowed back into Belarus, since they know of elections now.
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2012, 07:23:58 PM »

Fine Smiley

But, seriously, observers from Belarus? Really?
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2012, 08:02:57 PM »

If we can inspect other countries' elections, they can inspect ours. After all, 2000 was obviously stolen, and 2004 was iffy at best.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with this.  How could this hurt anybody other than people attempting the disenfranchise voters?

Pretty embarrassing, but I can see why...
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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2012, 08:20:52 PM »

It's amazing that Republicans are so up in arms about this.

Those who are most likely to believe that bombing other countries will help them are utterly shocked that other countries might have any say in our international affairs.

They suggest leaving the UN over the disgrace.

Might this allow them to see how other countries feel when we interfere in their internal affairs to a much greater extent?

The Onion sums it up:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/serbia-deploys-peacekeeping-forces-to-us,1435/
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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2012, 08:48:20 PM »

I've wanted to leave the UN for YEARS!

I don't think the UN is doing this for the right reasons. They just want to make sure Obama doesn't lose.
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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2012, 09:25:23 PM »

If we can inspect other countries' elections, they can inspect ours. After all, 2000 was obviously stolen, and 2004 was iffy at best.

"They" can, and do, keep us out. 
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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2012, 09:37:57 PM »

Our elections are probably less trustworthy than Venezuela's.
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2012, 12:06:56 AM »

Why is this a problem? As long as a fair election is being held, you shouldn't have anything to hide, right?

American elections aren't at the level of other liberal democracies, and there are cases of problems in recent elections. Of course Anerica isn't Russia....but there's no reason to assume that nothing can go wrong.
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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2012, 12:10:21 AM »

Oh, and anyone that seriously suggests leaving the UN is automatically in my idiot book. Further proof isn't required, even if there's plenty of it available in one case in this thread.
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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2012, 02:33:34 AM »

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We're going to have people from nations who don't have elections to be making sure our elections work correctly. Right...

All of those nations hold elections except Belarus, and all except the last 3 are liberal democracies.

I thought Belarus technically had elections, too.

Why is this a problem? As long as a fair election is being held, you shouldn't have anything to hide, right?

Thank you for supporting the PATRIOT Act and the like. Wink
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2012, 02:34:03 AM »

A very good reason to leave the UN. 

You're absolutely correct, it is vitally important that the United States prevents international election monitors from observing American elections.

The United States should withdraw from the United Nations, because the OSCE (a body which is neither funded, nor takes direction from, the UN) is going to conduct election monitoring in one of its member states - an action it has engaged in in its member states for many years; an action it has engaged in in the US on a number of previous occasions (and actually welcomed by administrations under both parties); an action the US agreed to explicitly by virtue of assent to the Paris Charter (1990).

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That the UN hasn't intervened to stop this travesty is truly shameful and appalling. Withdrawal from that organisation is therefore a perfectly reasonably and proportional response. (Presumably seeing as how the OSCE is the actual organisation that has approved, organised and funded the monitoring, their HQ should be blown up or some such, amirite?)
 
By denying international election monitors the right to observe American elections (in line with the principles of the OSCE Charter agreed to by the US), the Amercian Government can send a strong signal to marginal democratic regimes around the world that foreign observers are actually a danger to democracy and should not be tolerated - even after the Government has committed by international agreement, and through past practice, to allowing such observers.

Kudos to you JJ on yet another cojent and insightful contribution to the Forum.
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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2012, 03:13:37 AM »

Thank you for supporting the PATRIOT Act and the like. Wink

Well elections are a public matter (and the use of language was intentional, considering Republican arguments for other issues Smiley).

Pity the U.S. doesn't have a clause like in the German GG regulating how elections are run.
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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2012, 03:26:47 AM »

Corrected:

I've wanted to leave the UN for YEARS!

I don't think the UN is doing this for the right reasons. They just want to make sure Obama doesn't lose through a rigged election.
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