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« on: November 17, 2012, 10:35:45 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2012, 10:51:32 AM »

So... why isn't this guy Jason Chaffez a Democrat? Sounds like all the policies he considers 'cool' are Democratic, and all the uncool is Republican.
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2012, 11:04:40 AM »

So... why isn't this guy Jason Chaffez a Democrat? Sounds like all the policies he considers 'cool' are Democratic, and all the uncool is Republican.

Chaffetz was a Democrat (Utah co-chair for Dukakis '88), but changed after meeting Reagan in 1990. He was also a campaign manager and chief of staff for Huntsman. Extremely fiscally conservative (slept on a cot in his office), criticized Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize, wants to ban full-body scanners, leave Afghanistan, etc.
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2012, 11:17:17 AM »

So... why isn't this guy Jason Chaffez a Democrat? Sounds like all the policies he considers 'cool' are Democratic, and all the uncool is Republican.

Chaffetz was a Democrat (Utah co-chair for Dukakis '88), but changed after meeting Reagan in 1990.

Bizarre - I wasn't even aware Reagan was still alive in 1990 - in any case he can't have been cognizant.  So it is true - Reagan was like the pod people, and took over this guy Chaffez by osmosis.

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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2012, 01:54:23 PM »

Chaffetz's point was not about moderating policy. He's one of the most extreme members of Congress. He just wants a fresh advertising approach that will reach young people better. Essentially, he thinks young people are so dumb that they will vote Republican if they can just convince Justin Bieber to endorse them. Fact is, conservative policies since Reagan have screwed most young people sideways. Wealth is now so concentrated that most of are fighting for the scraps that will allow us to pay off our college loans. Take heart, GOP. You may face political destruction, but only because you've succeded beyond anybody's expectations at strengthening America's aristocracy.
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2012, 01:57:41 PM »

He's right. It's very "cool" to be extreme as long as you're a liberal.
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2012, 03:00:45 PM »

Chaffetz's point was not about moderating policy. He's one of the most extreme members of Congress. He just wants a fresh advertising approach that will reach young people better. Essentially, he thinks young people are so dumb that they will vote Republican if they can just convince Justin Bieber to endorse them. Fact is, conservative policies since Reagan have screwed most young people sideways. Wealth is now so concentrated that most of are fighting for the scraps that will allow us to pay off our college loans. Take heart, GOP. You may face political destruction, but only because you've succeded beyond anybody's expectations at strengthening America's aristocracy.

Of course huge numbers of college students were also Paulites. Following your train of thought his policies would be even worse for young people, but he was beating Obama with them in some polls. In the end its the GOP's image and non-economic issues that drive college students to the Democrats.
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2012, 03:04:01 PM »

Of course huge numbers of college students were also Paulites.

No...
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2012, 03:20:06 PM »

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Nope. Back in the days of Reagan, you could get a job, earn enough to buy a house, a car, raise a family, all without incurring debt - pay the house off and own the surrounding land.

That's the nation I grew up in.

Today? Not the case. Liberal policies of endless spending have ensured that these jobs are nowhere to be found, and their attacks on full employment and self-sufficiency have also ensure that a generation of kids are going to be lost.

We've had 12 years now without an inflation adjusted high in the Dow. 12 years, people.

We have all this debt, and nothing to show for it. And, we're going to be spending the rest of my working life paying it off.
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2012, 03:24:55 PM »


No it wasn't
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2012, 03:30:27 PM »

Yeah it was. Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2012, 05:01:13 PM »

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Nope. Back in the days of Reagan, you could get a job, earn enough to buy a house, a car, raise a family, all without incurring debt - pay the house off and own the surrounding land.

That's the nation I grew up in.

Today? Not the case. Liberal policies of endless spending have ensured that these jobs are nowhere to be found, and their attacks on full employment and self-sufficiency have also ensure that a generation of kids are going to be lost.

We've had 12 years now without an inflation adjusted high in the Dow. 12 years, people.

We have all this debt, and nothing to show for it. And, we're going to be spending the rest of my working life paying it off.
That was possible thanks to strong unions and presence of left-wing in the politics from 50's-70's. Under the right-wing presidents of the  last 30 years, namely Reagan, Clinton, and Bush and Obama have undone that. It's still possible to return to the 70's paradise, all we need to do is run a few guillotines in particularly rich neighborhoods.
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2012, 06:08:35 PM »

Ben Kenobi is arguing that America was a conservative paradise until the 1980s, at which point we took a sharp turn left, and that's what is the root of the middle class's demise? That's an interesting take on American history.
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2012, 07:38:11 PM »

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Yeah, look at how Detroit has been gutted by Republican adminstration.
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2012, 07:38:43 PM »


whatever you say, canadian
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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2012, 07:40:29 PM »

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No, I'm arguing that the sharp turn left came in the early 90s. I'm arguing the 80's were very well off in comparison with today.
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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2012, 07:41:11 PM »

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Whatever you say, Yankee.
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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2012, 07:45:01 PM »

So... why isn't this guy Jason Chaffez a Democrat? Sounds like all the policies he considers 'cool' are Democratic, and all the uncool is Republican.

Chaffetz was a Democrat (Utah co-chair for Dukakis '88), but changed after meeting Reagan in 1990. He was also a campaign manager and chief of staff for Huntsman. Extremely fiscally conservative (slept on a cot in his office), criticized Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize, wants to ban full-body scanners, leave Afghanistan, etc.
Chaffetz is a libertarian conservative maybe in the Justin Amash cloth?
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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2012, 07:54:07 PM »

So... why isn't this guy Jason Chaffez a Democrat? Sounds like all the policies he considers 'cool' are Democratic, and all the uncool is Republican.

Chaffetz was a Democrat (Utah co-chair for Dukakis '88), but changed after meeting Reagan in 1990. He was also a campaign manager and chief of staff for Huntsman. Extremely fiscally conservative (slept on a cot in his office), criticized Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize, wants to ban full-body scanners, leave Afghanistan, etc.
Chaffetz is a libertarian conservative maybe in the Justin Amash cloth?

Essentially.
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2012, 08:21:11 PM »

the definition of cool

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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2012, 10:10:32 PM »

It's the shades, isn't it?
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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2012, 01:27:25 PM »

It's still possible to return to the 70's paradise, all we need to do is run a few guillotines in particularly rich neighborhoods.

Huzzah!  Can't make an omelet without breaking a few villainous eggs.
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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2012, 01:36:25 PM »

It's still possible to return to the 70's paradise, all we need to do is run a few guillotines in particularly rich neighborhoods.

Huzzah!  Can't make an omelet without breaking a few villainous eggs.

But this particular omelette would destroy the entire henhouse, which certainly wouldn't help nutrition and could even, in the worst case scenario, result in starvation.
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2012, 09:57:54 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2012, 01:14:43 PM »


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V46hFOCWM60
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