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« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2012, 06:43:12 am »

Media cocoon doesn't matter.  No one's telling the Dems to break their media cocoon.

Trying to "fix" the losing party after every election has become tiring.  See the Dems in 2004 and 2010, GOP in '06 and '08.   The GOP lost because it had an inferior operation and an inferior campaign controlling the top of the ticket.

I'm sorry but the GOP media cocoon is a huge problem for the party. Right wing media created a false universe that thoroughly convinced Republicans that their views not only were right, but were also shared by the vast majority of Americans. It created a false sense of security. They figured they were doing everything right and didn't make the changes necessary to win the election, As it turns out, most Americans were very much against their agenda.
Almost all of the polls were wrong, Republican-friendly or otherwise. 

Except that, y'know, they weren't. Many of them (and the aggregates certainly) nailed this election all along. Only the few that this very bubble chose to accept were completely wrong. You only further prove the point, really.

I don't think you can reasonably suggest a New Yorker is in "the bubble". Unless he's from Buffalo, or somewhere absurdly rural.

Did you read this paragraph from the article?

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It doesn't matter where you live -if your primary source of news is Fox News and conservative talk radio, a conservative  in San Francisco or New York City can be just as deluded as his counterpart in Texas or Georgia.  

Yeah, I see that paragraph in the article. I've read lots of things in articles but they aren't always true. Wink

It's nigh impossible to live in San Francisco or New York and live within this right-wing world of wonder we're discussing. You can't escape a diverse set of viewpoints living in NYC or SF.

Yes because outside the big coastal urban areas in USA all people are just the same, they think the same, they act the same and they vote the same.

As I see it you live in the same cocoon that people accuse Republican off living in. The difference is that your cocoon aren't political, but one created by well off urban professionals, who see the rest of the country as one big homogeneous mass of sameness.
Of course this isn't only a American problem, most media suffer from this problem, whether they broadcast in New Delhi or in Paris.
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« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2012, 05:34:43 pm »

You may be surprised how many Republicans are capable of drawing their own conclusions without regard to the biases of the media they choose to consume, and how few buy into the blowhards of talk radio. If conservative media had any role in Romney's loss it was in it's inferiority to its liberal counterpart.
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« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2012, 08:23:34 pm »
« Edited: November 23, 2012, 09:27:29 pm by paul718 »

Media cocoon doesn't matter.  No one's telling the Dems to break their media cocoon.

Trying to "fix" the losing party after every election has become tiring.  See the Dems in 2004 and 2010, GOP in '06 and '08.   The GOP lost because it had an inferior operation and an inferior campaign controlling the top of the ticket.

I'm sorry but the GOP media cocoon is a huge problem for the party. Right wing media created a false universe that thoroughly convinced Republicans that their views not only were right, but were also shared by the vast majority of Americans. It created a false sense of security. They figured they were doing everything right and didn't make the changes necessary to win the election, As it turns out, most Americans were very much against their agenda.
Almost all of the polls were wrong, Republican-friendly or otherwise.  

Except that, y'know, they weren't. Many of them (and the aggregates certainly) nailed this election all along. Only the few that this very bubble chose to accept were completely wrong. You only further prove the point, really.

Gallup had Romney winning.  CNN and Politico had a dead heat.  NBC/WSJ had Obama up by only 1.  Same for the RCP Average.  
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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2012, 08:26:23 pm »

National polls had a Republican bias but State polls (with the exception of Rassy and other joke pollsters) were relatively accurate. This is another important lesson: State polls are historically better than national polls to predict the outcome of the election.
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« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2012, 03:16:51 am »

National polls had a Republican bias but State polls (with the exception of Rassy and other joke pollsters) were relatively accurate. This is another important lesson: State polls are historically better than national polls to predict the outcome of the election.

I think you're right, but the main inaccuracy in the national polls was the overly-restrictive likely voter screen. If it wasn't for that, Gallup would've basically nailed the national vote margin. It's not so much that the national polls had a Republican bias per se, but rather that the likely voter polls screened out a lot of Obama voters.
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« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2012, 11:15:54 am »

None of it matters really. I think the media is more of a paper tiger these days than anything else. Empirical evidence will need to be demonstrably demonstrate that Obama's policies are flawed for the GOP to come back. For that to happen, some of those policies will need to be implemented first. It will be a hard, long slog methinks.
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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2012, 02:39:46 pm »

None of it matters really. I think the media is more of a paper tiger these days than anything else. Empirical evidence will need to be demonstrably demonstrate that Obama's policies are flawed for the GOP to come back. For that to happen, some of those policies will need to be implemented first. It will be a hard, long slog methinks.

If only... Bullsh*t Mountain is ready to completely freak out even while the administration is unable to do anything meaningful.
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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2012, 12:41:11 pm »

None of it matters really. I think the media is more of a paper tiger these days than anything else. Empirical evidence will need to be demonstrably demonstrate that Obama's policies are flawed for the GOP to come back. For that to happen, some of those policies will need to be implemented first. It will be a hard, long slog methinks.

If only... Bullsh*t Mountain is ready to completely freak out even while the administration is unable to do anything meaningful.

But Bullsh**t Mountain wasn't enough. I think that's the point of this thread and that's why Buillsh**t Mountain is Bullsh**t Mountain.
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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2012, 02:55:50 pm »

It's not just a media cocoon. They've moved the the exurbs, pulled the kids out of public schools, and formed their own organizations. Their entire existence is now a cocoon.
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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2012, 03:37:28 pm »

Most Republicans seemed to think romney should have  won no matter what because there philosophy tells them most presidents would not win re-election with a high unemployment rate and the economic situation the way it is or the obstruction in Congress, etc., etc.. People were saying it couldn't be done. The polls show one thing but the electoral results show another. Before his opponent can do anything about it the guy is winning. That's how it happens. They never know what hit them. What did Muhammad Ali used to say, "float like a butterfly sting like a bee". That applies to the President, that's what he does. Mitt Romney shouldn't take it personally, its not his fault. It was never going to happen for him anyway, not against the President. Romney was playing checkers while Obama was playing chess. Strategy counts. I mean look he even took Staten Island, how often does that happen for a Democratic Presidential candidate? The GOP should just be glad they don't have to run against him again.
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