SENATE BILL: Spurring Skilled Immigration Act of 2012 (On the President's Desk)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senator you have 24 hours to being articulated an advocacy for this.

[Franzl]

Number 7 is slightly problematic as we have no control over what is appropriate for a "doctoral-level" degree. That could become a rather large loophole if we leave it that way.

I'm relatively supportive of the overall concept, though.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Number 7 is slightly problematic as we have no control over what is appropriate for a "doctoral-level" degree. That could become a rather large loophole if we leave it that way.

I'm relatively supportive of the overall concept, though.

Would an "accreddited institution" clause, similar to what I inserted in the Dream Act, fix that problem?

[Franzl]

Number 7 is slightly problematic as we have no control over what is appropriate for a "doctoral-level" degree. That could become a rather large loophole if we leave it that way.

I'm relatively supportive of the overall concept, though.

Would an "accreddited institution" clause, similar to what I inserted in the Dream Act, fix that problem?

I interpret 7 to mean from a non-Atlasian university....or am I misreading it? (Because 1 already covers people who have studied in Atlasia.)

We'd need to figure out a way to judge foreign degrees. I suppose we could solve it by simply listing what countries we recognize or something.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This could get very involved with many moving parts.

Perhaps, require the SoEA to work with the SoIA in determing which countries meet a certain mininium set of standards in terms of well standards on their universities. And then apply section 7 only to goes countries.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

This could get very involved with many moving parts.

Perhaps, require the SoEA to work with the SoIA in determing which countries meet a certain mininium set of standards in terms of well standards on their universities. And then apply section 7 only to goes countries.

I think that's a good idea.

[Franzl]

This could get very involved with many moving parts.

Perhaps, require the SoEA to work with the SoIA in determing which countries meet a certain mininium set of standards in terms of well standards on their universities. And then apply section 7 only to goes countries.

I think that's a good idea.

I agree.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This could get very involved with many moving parts.

Perhaps, require the SoEA to work with the SoIA in determing which countries meet a certain mininium set of standards in terms of well standards on their universities. And then apply section 7 only to goes countries.

I think that's a good idea.

It is unless you are the one who has to 1) Put together the text to faciliate or even worse 2) actually do that process as either of those two officials.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Okay, then what should those minimum standards be? Either we figure out or the SoEA/SoIA collaboration has to on top of actually sifting through to find which countries meet them (SoEA) and then actually administering the program itself (SoIA).

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I'm perfectly willing to volunteer the NSC to do the work instead.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

For some reason that doesn't instill much confidence.

I would like to get this passed by the end of the year if possible. How you recommend doing that. Inserting a clause witholding that section pending the passage of "subsequent legislation"?

[Bacon King]

possibly relevant:

Immigration Reform Act of 2007

[Simfan34]

Senator you have 24 hours to being articulated an advocacy for this.

These are great ideas, but I think this bill is self-evident-- let's get as many skilled people into Atlasia as possible.

Number 7 is slightly problematic as we have no control over what is appropriate for a "doctoral-level" degree. That could become a rather large loophole if we leave it that way.

I'm relatively supportive of the overall concept, though.

I had had similar thoughts about this, and I do think the term a "locally accredited, non-profit degree-granting academic institution" might cover the issue well.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senator you have 24 hours to being articulated an advocacy for this.

These are great ideas, but I think this bill is self-evident-- let's get as many skilled people into Atlasia as possible.

I ask that of all bill sponsors.

[Simfan34]

Senator you have 24 hours to being articulated an advocacy for this.

These are great ideas, but I think this bill is self-evident-- let's get as many skilled people into Atlasia as possible.

I ask that of all bill sponsors.

I understand, but that post was incoherent.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I'm generally supportive, but why should we include section 6? What purpose does it serve? Couldn't it be construed as a little bit racist?

[Niemeyerite]

I would suppress point 7, too. IMHO, it's very discriminatory.

[Simfan34]

I would suppress point 7, too. IMHO, it's very discriminatory.

Against whom?

[Napoleon]

I support this, though I would like to open opportunities for others not named in the bill as well..

[Niemeyerite]

I would suppress point 7, too. IMHO, it's very discriminatory.

Against whom?

People who migrate because they need to.

[Simfan34]

I would suppress point 7, too. IMHO, it's very discriminatory.

Against whom?

People who migrate because they need to.

Where do I write something to the effect of suppressing their immigration?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I would suppress point 7, too. IMHO, it's very discriminatory.

Against whom?

People who migrate because they need to.

I don't see a problem with us determining immigration levels based on education levels and thne adjusting the ratios of skilled to unskilled depending on 1) The needs of the economy and 2) the carrying capacity of the economy or more specifically the field in question. If we flood a certain sector with people, that will reduce the compensation and working conditions, especially if the field isn't expanding or worse is actually contracting at the time. I would have thought such an issue would be of deep concern to the Labor Party.

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