USA thread for shootings

[Simfan34]

Stop with all these idiotic "look at people defending themselves!" posts. Especially Miles, who ought to know better- it's one thing for krazen (a certified troll) and some newbie to do it, but it's beneath you.

One thousand Americans have died since Newtown at the hands of guns. One thousand. That number in and of itself is indefensible. Yet you people propose we do nothing. It's sickening. For what? Your right to overthrow the government? How about we cut crime by making it legal to be black for one thing (because it's practically illegal when one in three wind up in prison), and ending the insane "War" on Drugs?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Stop with all these idiotic "look at people defending themselves!" posts. Especially Miles, who ought to know better- it's one thing for krazen (a certified troll) and some newbie to do it, but it's beneath you.

One thousand Americans have died since Newtown at the hands of guns. One thousand. That number in and of itself is indefensible. Yet you people propose we do nothing. It's sickening. For what? Your right to overthrow the government? How about we cut crime by making it legal to be black for one thing (because it's practically illegal when one in three wind up in prison), and ending the insane "War" on Drugs?

How are stricter gun laws going to translate to fewer blacks in prison? Isn't it the reverse?

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Multiple people shot at Lone Star College

[AkSaber]

Stop with all these idiotic "look at people defending themselves!" posts. Especially Miles, who ought to know better- it's one thing for krazen (a certified troll) and some newbie to do it, but it's beneath you.

One thousand Americans have died since Newtown at the hands of guns. One thousand. That number in and of itself is indefensible. Yet you people propose we do nothing. It's sickening. For what? Your right to overthrow the government? How about we cut crime by making it legal to be black for one thing (because it's practically illegal when one in three wind up in prison), and ending the insane "War" on Drugs?

In other words, never tell anyone when guns are used to defend innocent lives?

Well of course you're gonna sway people's opinions when you deliberately deceive them by distorting the news.

[Simfan34]

Stop with all these idiotic "look at people defending themselves!" posts. Especially Miles, who ought to know better- it's one thing for krazen (a certified troll) and some newbie to do it, but it's beneath you.

One thousand Americans have died since Newtown at the hands of guns. One thousand. That number in and of itself is indefensible. Yet you people propose we do nothing. It's sickening. For what? Your right to overthrow the government? How about we cut crime by making it legal to be black for one thing (because it's practically illegal when one in three wind up in prison), and ending the insane "War" on Drugs?

In other words, never tell anyone when guns are used to defend innocent lives?

Well of course you're gonna sway people's opinions when you deliberately deceive them by distorting the news.

Here's a better analogy (or just an analogy):

It would be inane to constantly be posting articles along the lines of "Flight from Bakerfield to Seattle lands safely" or "Except for that one annoying baby, Toronto-Havana flight is without incident". Things working the way they should be is not news. However when things don't work the way they should be working, as in "Flight from Sao Paulo to Paris crashes over Atlantic Ocean with all aboard killed" or "All Boeing 787s grounded due to mechanical problem", then that is news. Management by exception, you know. My father used to harp on about that when I got a B in one class and I tried to point out all the other As I got. Still does, actually. But he's right.

Only problem with my analogy is that guns are less airplanes and more so hydrogen-filled airships. And we all know how those turned out.

The point is that if guns all were always used they way they should and no undeserving people were ever shot, I'm pretty sure no one would have a problem with them. But anyone with more than an iota of intelligence should realize that's not how guns actually end up being used, and mass-posting news about guns being used in self-defense isn't going to change that.

[Likely Voter]

the problem with the plane analogy is the planned use of guns isn't that frequent. When you bring a gun into your home it is more likely going to injure or kill someone in the home than it is going to be used for self defense. Just ask Adam Lanza's mom...oh wait you cant


BTW as we speak there is another gun incident going on at a TX college. Two students got into an argument and then started shooting, a bystander or two got hit as well. Surprisingly schools are one place in TX where you cant carry a concealed gun but of course the TX GOP are trying to change that.

Will this incident prove their point that there needs to be more guns in schools?

[Simfan34]

Which is why I bring up rigid airships. Pretty much all of them ended up crashing- just the Hindenburg is the most well known.

[krazen1211]

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/01/21/sacramento-homeowner-shoots-assailant-in-self-defense/


Sacramento Homeowner Shoots Assailant In Self-Defense



Next time he should just let the assailant beat him with the cane.

[AkSaber]

Here's a better analogy (or just an analogy):

It would be inane to constantly be posting articles along the lines of "Flight from Bakerfield to Seattle lands safely" or "Except for that one annoying baby, Toronto-Havana flight is without incident". Things working the way they should be is not news. However when things don't work the way they should be working, as in "Flight from Sao Paulo to Paris crashes over Atlantic Ocean with all aboard killed" or "All Boeing 787s grounded due to mechanical problem", then that is news. Management by exception, you know. My father used to harp on about that when I got a B in one class and I tried to point out all the other As I got. Still does, actually. But he's right.

But it's still deceiving people by altering their perceptions of how frequently things go wrong. And it wouldn't be a problem people just did their own research and not rely on the TV news to do their thinking for them.

Also, doesn't it bother you about the politicians calling for these restrictions, they are surrounded, on a daily basis, by thousands of armed guards? And these guards carry actual machine guns, which are, in the anti-gunners' imaginations far more menacing than semi-auto weapons?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I'm advocating stricter gun laws in conjunction with drug legalization and the end of the persecution of minorities (loitering laws, petty crimes, truancy, pervasive discrimination) through which means we can organically reduce the vectors for crime in black and other inner city communities. The victims of the Newtown shooting weren't all black (although, had two nephews of mine not changed schools, they could have been shot- their teacher was), but black Americans remain disproportionately affected by the gun epidemic.

We need a War on Guns, not a War on Drugs.

but aren't gun laws enforced in a discriminatory manner also?

[King]

I thank krazen for his posts of heroic stories of homeowners using semiautomatic assault weapons to protect themselves against home intruders.  At least, I assume that's what the weapons being used are.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Stop with all these idiotic "look at people defending themselves!" posts. Especially Miles, who ought to know better- it's one thing for krazen (a certified troll) and some newbie to do it, but it's beneath you.

One thousand Americans have died since Newtown at the hands of guns. One thousand. That number in and of itself is indefensible.

Let me put that in perspective for you, as that is something that you gun-control types often seem to lack. Well over one thousand Americans have died since Newtown at the hands of hypertension and hypertensive renal disease. A far greater number have died of smoking-related causes.

Yet you people propose we do nothing. It's sickening. For what? Your right to overthrow the government? How about we cut crime by making it legal to be black for one thing (because it's practically illegal when one in three wind up in prison), and ending the insane "War" on Drugs?

False assumptions much?

[Franzl]

Not disputing your claim, a Person, but why is that an argument against trying to solve the gun problem? Seems like it's a large number of people that shouldn't have to die.

[krazen1211]

semiautomatic assault weapons

Hmm? The US Army makes such a definition impossible.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Not disputing your claim, a Person, but why is that an argument against trying to solve the gun problem? Seems like it's a large number of people that shouldn't have to die.

The point was that it's not, in any reasonable context, a "large number of people." While the number of people that die of smoking-related causes is. (And there is obviously less of a "purpose" for tobacco than for guns)
Consistency would be nice, is all I'm saying.

[Franzl]

Not disputing your claim, a Person, but why is that an argument against trying to solve the gun problem? Seems like it's a large number of people that shouldn't have to die.

The point was that it's not, in any reasonable context, a "large number of people." While the number of people that die of smoking-related causes is. (And there is obviously less of a "purpose" for tobacco than for guns)
Consistency would be nice, is all I'm saying.

Would you also agree that the number of people dying of AIDS annually is not a large number in any reasonable context? (At least in rich countries) That could certainly be used to justify devoting resources to "more important" causes.

I don't find that particular type of argument very appealing, though.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

The claim was that "this number is, in and of itself, indefensible."

[King]

semiautomatic assault weapons

Hmm? The US Army makes such a definition impossible.

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That's a cheap quip, even for you.  The point remains is that you have yet to post a single article where someone defends themselves with a gun that was restricted by the 1994 FAW bill.

[Likely Voter]

It is an interesting question. Are there any documented cases where a previously banned weapon (or previously banned clip) was used in self defense?

BUt let's face it, the vast majority of gun violence is done with handguns. Nothing short of banning handguns (which will never happen) is going to make a big dent in gun violence.

[King]

BUt let's face it, the vast majority of gun violence is done with handguns. Nothing short of banning handguns (which will never happen) is going to make a big dent in gun violence.

Perhaps the solution to all this is a reverse freakanomics law: ban all guns except AR-15 rifles.

Like the nuclear bomb, the mutual assured destruction would take hold.

[krazen1211]

semiautomatic assault weapons

Hmm? The US Army makes such a definition impossible.

...

That's a cheap quip, even for you.  The point remains is that you have yet to post a single article where someone defends themselves with a gun that was restricted by the 1994 FAW bill.

Yes of course. The weapons banned by the 1994 FAW bill were rarely used in the first place. The people use well designed non-assault weapons like the AR-15 to defend themselves.

I know you don't read or stick to dictionary terms, but a smart 15 year old boy in suburban Houston used such a weapon to shoot some rogue hoodlums, and people like you are calling such non-assault weapons something that they are not in order to grab them.

[krazen1211]

http://www.bradenton.com/2013/01/22/4361842/investigation-continues-after.html

Law abiding concealed carry victim pulls out gun and shoots robber dead.


http://www.wtvm.com/story/17105703/elderly-man-shoots-robbery-suspect-in-self-defense

Home contractor pulls out gun and shoots robber in the arm.

[pbrower2a]

I'm advocating stricter gun laws in conjunction with drug legalization and the end of the persecution of minorities (loitering laws, petty crimes, truancy, pervasive discrimination) through which means we can organically reduce the vectors for crime in black and other inner city communities. The victims of the Newtown shooting weren't all black (although, had two nephews of mine not changed schools, they could have been shot- their teacher was), but black Americans remain disproportionately affected by the gun epidemic.

We need a War on Guns, not a War on Drugs.

Discrimination must die. We may have a legitimate purpose in enforcing truancy laws that ensure that kids go to school rather than waste their lives at video arcades.

We may see the permissive laws on  firearms changed only with unintended consequences. It is likely that proportionately more blacks and Hispanics get busted for violations of new gun laws as is the case with drug laws now enforced (more black and Hispanic lives will be saved, which is more than adequate compensation). Some states may allow the confiscation of firearms after adjudication in domestic disputes, resulting in fewer domestic disputes resulting in gunfire.

[memphis]

http://wreg.com/2013/01/28/minor-injuries-when-school-bus-shot-at/

[krazen1211]

http://www.news-star.com/article/20130126/NEWS/130129757

McLoud homeowner shoots intruder