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« on: January 02, 2013, 11:00:55 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2013, 11:01:56 AM »

Soul, eh. Lemme suggest Otis Redding.
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2013, 11:02:11 AM »

Do we think he's running again?
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2013, 11:06:48 AM »

idk, if he does he would probably do well among the Romney primary voters, but then again, last time he came in 3rd place in the only state he ran in....
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2013, 12:15:27 PM »

Beat me to it. See, this is why I like Huntsman so much. He's basically said what I said here

I seriously believe Congress should be paid the medium income of Americans.
How about they start paying us, oh wait, they already do!

You're telling me we're paid by Congress? By what? Their own munificent generosity and benevolent charity? You're joking, right? Now, I'm not much of a democrat and certainly no republican, but at least in this country, these people on the hill are beholden to the people. We could fire them all if we wanted to, and if people in this country had half a brain, they would.

I'm not going to deny that the GOP is to blame here. The amount they've been willing to ignore their beliefs, constituents, and past positions all to spite the President is just disgusting. I really don't know who the Republicans are beholden to. The rich are liberals. The neoconservatives and neoliberals are supportive of the President. It seems they're led by no ones and nobody- Norquist, Limbaugh, Santorum. Who are these people? Why are they leading the party? They're nobodies! These small minded morons aren't conservative, they aren't even reactionary, they're just dumb. The GOP today isn't being led by far right wingnuts, they're being led by just- wingnuts.

See, Huntsman knows what he's talking about. He's one of the few people that do.
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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2013, 12:20:42 PM »

...A more "libertarian" GOP would be even more unreasonable re: fiscal cliff.
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2013, 12:58:47 PM »

Huntsman is less of a libertarian and more of a European conservative. He'd fit right in with the Tories or UMP.
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2013, 12:59:24 PM »

I didn't realize libertarians had "souls."
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2013, 01:53:42 PM »

Nothing says soul like a purist ideology insisting that every man is an island.
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2013, 02:14:49 PM »

Let's not all be dense. Huntsman is not talking about adopting objectivism. He is talking about adopting libertarian social attitudes- live and let be. This is something people shouldn't be finding objectionable. Talking about tolerating gay marriage, marijuana legalisation, et cetera. Repealing DOMA. He's talking sense, as usual. There's no need to twist his words.
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2013, 02:18:13 PM »

Let's not all be dense. Huntsman is not talking about adopting objectivism. He is talking about adopting libertarian social attitudes- live and let be. This is something people shouldn't be finding objectionable. Talking about tolerating gay marriage, marijuana legalisation, et cetera. Repealing DOMA. He's talking sense, as usual. There's no need to twist his words.

That's not libertarianism. It's liberalism.
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2013, 03:05:17 PM »

Huntsman's a libertarian now?
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2013, 03:18:01 PM »

Let's not all be dense. Huntsman is not talking about adopting objectivism. He is talking about adopting libertarian social attitudes- live and let be. This is something people shouldn't be finding objectionable. Talking about tolerating gay marriage, marijuana legalisation, et cetera. Repealing DOMA. He's talking sense, as usual. There's no need to twist his words.

That's not libertarianism. It's liberalism.
In the case of those types of issues, what is the difference?
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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2013, 03:24:53 PM »
« Edited: January 02, 2013, 03:27:40 PM by Benj »

Let's not all be dense. Huntsman is not talking about adopting objectivism. He is talking about adopting libertarian social attitudes- live and let be. This is something people shouldn't be finding objectionable. Talking about tolerating gay marriage, marijuana legalisation, et cetera. Repealing DOMA. He's talking sense, as usual. There's no need to twist his words.

That's not libertarianism. It's liberalism.
In the case of those types of issues, what is the difference?

Libertarianism is about (generally irrational) hatred of government. It has nothing to do with social liberalism and support for progressive social policies. Libertarian politicians in the US and worldwide are not generally supportive of liberal social positions. Taking Ron Paul as the American libertarian avatar, his opposition to gay rights, immigration reform, abortion and euthanasia along with support for the death penalty are clearly anti-liberal. The only issue on which the libertarian movement and liberalism are aligned is drug policy, and even there the libertarians take a doctrinaire stance while the liberals support drug legalization/decriminalization for practical reasons. Even ignoring Ron Paul in particular, at best libertarian politicians are divided on these issues, and for the most part they just don't care.

Of course, I don't think Huntsman is talking about anything other than gay rights here. Which makes it particularly ridiculous; libertarian and libertarian-aligned politicians are hardly noted for being pro-gay.
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« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2013, 03:25:21 PM »

Let's not all be dense. Huntsman is not talking about adopting objectivism. He is talking about adopting libertarian social attitudes- live and let be. This is something people shouldn't be finding objectionable. Talking about tolerating gay marriage, marijuana legalisation, et cetera. Repealing DOMA. He's talking sense, as usual. There's no need to twist his words.

None of that gives them 'soul', and anyway why on earth isn't Huntsman a Democrat if he isn't a crazy hater?
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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2013, 03:27:43 PM »

Let's not all be dense. Huntsman is not talking about adopting objectivism. He is talking about adopting libertarian social attitudes- live and let be. This is something people shouldn't be finding objectionable. Talking about tolerating gay marriage, marijuana legalisation, et cetera. Repealing DOMA. He's talking sense, as usual. There's no need to twist his words.

None of that gives them 'soul', and anyway why on earth isn't Huntsman a Democrat if he isn't a crazy hater?
Perhaps he is merely a money hoarder.
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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2013, 03:32:00 PM »

...anyway why on earth isn't Huntsman a Democrat if he isn't a crazy hater?
Perhaps he is merely a money hoarder.

Yeah of course he is but jeez, the Democrats still keep the oppressors' taxes at criminally low levels.. so there's really no bar to switching.
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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2013, 03:36:29 PM »

...anyway why on earth isn't Huntsman a Democrat if he isn't a crazy hater?
Perhaps he is merely a money hoarder.

Yeah of course he is but jeez, the Democrats still keep the oppressors' taxes at criminally low levels.. so there's really no bar to switching.

Because he's actually what a conservative is supposed to be.
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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2013, 03:39:10 PM »

...anyway why on earth isn't Huntsman a Democrat if he isn't a crazy hater?
Perhaps he is merely a money hoarder.

Yeah of course he is but jeez, the Democrats still keep the oppressors' taxes at criminally low levels.. so there's really no bar to switching.

Because he's actually what a conservative is supposed to be.

Yeah I know, so vote Democrat.
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« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2013, 03:47:17 PM »

...anyway why on earth isn't Huntsman a Democrat if he isn't a crazy hater?
Perhaps he is merely a money hoarder.

Yeah of course he is but jeez, the Democrats still keep the oppressors' taxes at criminally low levels.. so there's really no bar to switching.

Because he's actually what a conservative is supposed to be.
Supposed to? According to whom? There is no such thing as supposed to. What you mean to say is that he is what you would like conservatives to be.
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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2013, 03:48:07 PM »

Seems like he called for more libertarianism on Gay Marriage, not on a whole host of issues.
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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2013, 03:49:13 PM »

Again, attempts by the GOP to become more libertarian are precisely the reason for the current impasse.  The sequestration and it's massive cuts are very reflective of precisely that view that government needs to be cut to the bone, which is the root of what libertarianism is: the idea that government is inherently evil.  The GOP becoming more libertarian is the GOP going further and further away from rational policies regarding government spending and the recession and becoming even bigger austerity hawks.  Austerity vs. the opposition to austerity is the number one issue in politics, and a more libertarian GOP will be even more on the wrong side.  Hopefully, they don't listen to Huntsman on this.
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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2013, 03:55:43 PM »

Again our red avatars are missing the point. Phil has got the gist of what Huntsman means.
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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2013, 04:16:48 PM »

Again our red avatars are missing the point. Phil has got the gist of what Huntsman means.
If you think he's merely making the narrow point that the GOP should endorse gay marriage, maybe he should just come out and say it. While I very strongly endorse gay marriage, I'd be impressed and surprised just to see the GOP drop the advocacy for a constutional amendment nullifying and banning all gay marriages in every state.
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« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2013, 04:24:08 PM »

Taking Ron Paul as the American libertarian avatar, his opposition to gay rights

Such as voting for the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell?

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So you're criticizing libertarians because they think it's wrong to tell people what they can do with their own bodies rather than just impractical?
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