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« on: January 06, 2013, 09:59:43 PM »

Use your own judgement as to whether certain candidates are to the left or right of the President, though it's clear where, say, Liz Warren or Mark Warner would fit.
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2013, 10:02:53 PM »

I'll say left.
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2013, 10:10:02 PM »

MOE on either side. I think the primary criteria for Dem base types will be a more aggressive political infighter.
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2013, 10:11:23 PM »
« Edited: January 06, 2013, 10:13:10 PM by bballrox4717 »

I believe it will be close to Obama: someone who is socially liberal and near the center on economics. The main differences will be a candidate's approach to the presidency during their campaign. They could run on bipartisanship, leadership ability, populist appeal, being a Washington outsider, attacking Republicans, or experience. The true liberal wing has some say but they probably won't drag the party to the left, and there aren't enough centrists/blue dogs to drag the party more to the right.

The primary could get really interesting on foreign policy though, there are a lot of Democrats who aren't terribly impressed with Obama in that area.
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2013, 11:00:31 PM »
« Edited: January 06, 2013, 11:34:31 PM by Starwatcher »

Basically the same, especially now that Obama supports gay marriage.

Maybe a little more left on a couple issues, maybe a little more right on a few others, but I don't see a big change. For the first time since FDR, a Democrat has gotten 51% of the popular vote more than once. They know the "Obama formula" works, and they're going to replicate it, with few alterations.
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2013, 11:32:46 PM »

Other than O'Malley, all the democratic candidates are to the right of Obama, there is very little room to the left of Obama.

The next democratic and GOP nominees will be moderates;

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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2013, 11:57:22 PM »

Relatively the same since Warren/Warner won't win the nomination. The Democratic establishment is much more aligned ideologically at the moment than the Republicans'.
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2013, 06:58:03 AM »
« Edited: January 07, 2013, 06:59:38 AM by Shadowlord88 »

Somewhat more to the left on social issues, but probably the same on economic issues. 
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2013, 07:20:39 AM »

Other than O'Malley, all the democratic candidates are to the right of Obama, there is very little room to the left of Obama.

I'd say that Elizabeth Warren, Deval Patrick, Martin O'Malley, and arguably Brian Schweitzer (if you ignore guns & coal) are to Obama's left.
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2013, 05:18:24 PM »

Somewhat more to the left on social issues, but probably the same on economic issues. 

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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2013, 05:42:17 PM »

Other than O'Malley, all the democratic candidates are to the right of Obama, there is very little room to the left of Obama.
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I imagine the same as Obama. All Democratic presidential candidates have to be socially liberal at this point.
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2013, 07:59:44 PM »

At this point if Christie and Cuomo were the nominees, I'd be pretty happy.
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2013, 08:11:07 PM »

Other than O'Malley, all the democratic candidates are to the right of Obama, there is very little room to the left of Obama.
I had a feeling you were pretty conservative from your earlier posts, but wasn't sure. Now I'm convinced with this one crazy and unfoundedly untrue comment.
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2013, 09:33:31 PM »

To the left. Most of the potential democrats are to Obamas left but Cuomo.
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2013, 12:17:29 AM »

To the left. Most of the potential democrats are to Obamas left but Cuomo.

Cuomo is also to the left of Obama on social issues. All of these candidates will have an easier job espousing liberal talking points now that the president has "evolved".
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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2013, 07:28:38 AM »

To the left. Most of the potential democrats are to Obamas left but Cuomo.

Cuomo is also to the left of Obama on social issues. All of these candidates will have an easier job espousing liberal talking points now that the president has "evolved".

Cuomo is demonstrably to Obama's right on economic issues, however.
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2013, 11:51:34 AM »

To the left. Most of the potential democrats are to Obamas left but Cuomo.

Cuomo is also to the left of Obama on social issues. All of these candidates will have an easier job espousing liberal talking points now that the president has "evolved".

Cuomo is demonstrably to Obama's right on economic issues, however.

Yep, nothing wrong with that. Social issues are what the candidates are going to hang their hats on in the primary, however. Martin O'Malley certainly won't be trumpeting his fiscal record.
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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2013, 11:59:55 AM »

Same center-right ideology they've had for nearly 30 years now.
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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2013, 12:14:37 PM »

To the left. Most of the potential democrats are to Obamas left but Cuomo.

Cuomo is also to the left of Obama on social issues. All of these candidates will have an easier job espousing liberal talking points now that the president has "evolved".

Cuomo is demonstrably to Obama's right on economic issues, however.

Yep, nothing wrong with that. Social issues are what the candidates are going to hang their hats on in the primary, however. Martin O'Malley certainly won't be trumpeting his fiscal record.

I'm certainly socially liberal, but I honestly have a problem with the Democratic Party abandoning its New Deal and Great Society principles while doubling down on social issues. It wins elections (I doubt it helps in your state, though Tongue), but it feels like we're forced right and end up losing our ideological souls. Andrew Cuomo, based on his record as governor, would be the most right-wing Democratic nominee in over 90 years.
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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2013, 12:30:02 PM »
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To the left. Most of the potential democrats are to Obamas left but Cuomo.

Cuomo is also to the left of Obama on social issues. All of these candidates will have an easier job espousing liberal talking points now that the president has "evolved".

Cuomo is demonstrably to Obama's right on economic issues, however.

Yep, nothing wrong with that. Social issues are what the candidates are going to hang their hats on in the primary, however. Martin O'Malley certainly won't be trumpeting his fiscal record.

I'm certainly socially liberal, but I honestly have a problem with the Democratic Party abandoning its New Deal and Great Society principles while doubling down on social issues. It wins elections (I doubt it helps in your state, though Tongue), but it feels like we're forced right and end up losing our ideological souls. Andrew Cuomo, based on his record as governor, would be the most right-wing Democratic nominee in over 90 years.

From everything I've observed, Cuomo is a pragmatist in Clinton's cloth. He was handed a budget deficit of ten billion dollars in his first year and went about the simplest way to close it. While I don't think he'll ever be a true friend to unions, he wouldn't revert back to Trickle Down Theory or some other nonsense if Obama's second term is a success.

Bill wanted to be a champion of liberal policies when he first came into office, but he adapted and survived like the brilliant politician he is. Cuomo will do whatever is best politically, and if that's the Obama script, I believe he'll follow it.

I don't think he's a conservative like so many want to paint him as. I'd much, much, MUCH rather have Cuomo as the governor of my state than O'Malley, but he needs to drop this fracking lunacy. I don't like that he's even giving this a thought if 2016 is really on his mind.
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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2013, 01:05:59 PM »

You do have a point. Cuomo does have to deal with what he's handed with, though my concern is that he went about it the wrong way. We'll see how his national campaign goes if he does choose to run.
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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2013, 01:58:10 PM »

I can foresee an electorate that would be more receiving of a moderate Democrat if they are experiencing Obama fatigue, and Cuomo might be our best bet there if Schweitzer isn't as popular on the national scene as he is through grassroots and message board speculation.

But right now my mind is on Hillary and Hillary only. I'll worry about the other contenders if she chooses not to run.
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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2013, 03:24:55 PM »

To the left. Most of the potential democrats are to Obamas left but Cuomo.

Cuomo is also to the left of Obama on social issues. All of these candidates will have an easier job espousing liberal talking points now that the president has "evolved".

Cuomo is demonstrably to Obama's right on economic issues, however.

Yep, nothing wrong with that. Social issues are what the candidates are going to hang their hats on in the primary, however. Martin O'Malley certainly won't be trumpeting his fiscal record.

I'm certainly socially liberal, but I honestly have a problem with the Democratic Party abandoning its New Deal and Great Society principles while doubling down on social issues. It wins elections (I doubt it helps in your state, though Tongue), but it feels like we're forced right and end up losing our ideological souls. Andrew Cuomo, based on his record as governor, would be the most right-wing Democratic nominee in over 90 years.

Hell, I oppose Cuomo because I think he's too right-wing economically, and I'm me. You know, I'm all in favor of spending and tax cuts, but you can really do that without proposing to throw thousands of homeless youth onto the streets, or what he did to the public employees, or his crazy-ass teacher evaluation deal, which won't work. He's to my right.
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« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2013, 03:39:55 PM »

Aside from your needless hyperbole, Cuomo has handed teachers' unions their share of victories. This Democrat sponsored bill wasn't too "right wing".

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/06/21/new-york-legislature-passes-cuomo-teacher-evaluation-plan/
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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2013, 04:13:11 PM »

Aside from your needless hyperbole, Cuomo has handed teachers' unions their share of victories. This Democrat sponsored bill wasn't too "right wing".

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/06/21/new-york-legislature-passes-cuomo-teacher-evaluation-plan/

Wow. He modified some horrible legislation he passed to make it slightly less horrible. I am now convinced.
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