Assisted Suicide

[Antonio the Sixth]

I really don't need assistance to off myself. Thanks.

Not to be macabre but... you might need it some day. And so can I. If I even find myself not in the situation to choose how and when to end my life, I would want someone to do it on my behalf.

[DC Al Fine]

I really don't need assistance to off myself. Thanks.

Not to be macabre but... you might need it some day. And so can I. If I even find myself not in the situation to choose how and when to end my life, I would want someone to do it on my behalf.

That awkward moment when Antonio V gets offed despite wanting to stay alive at the time.

[Gamecock]

I really don't need assistance to off myself. Thanks.

Not to be macabre but... you might need it some day. And so can I. If I even find myself not in the situation to choose how and when to end my life, I would want someone to do it on my behalf.

That awkward moment when Antonio V gets offed despite wanting to stay alive at the time.

Oh, I'm sure it was just a clerical error. You know how Doctors sometimes accidentally overlook some paper work...

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

I really don't need assistance to off myself. Thanks.

Not to be macabre but... you might need it some day. And so can I. If I even find myself not in the situation to choose how and when to end my life, I would want someone to do it on my behalf.

To be macabre, Torie, you know that plenty of things can come upon you suddenly which will render you inable to put that massive heroin ball in your arm. 

[Antonio the Sixth]

I really don't need assistance to off myself. Thanks.

Not to be macabre but... you might need it some day. And so can I. If I even find myself not in the situation to choose how and when to end my life, I would want someone to do it on my behalf.

That awkward moment when Antonio V gets offed despite wanting to stay alive at the time.

Oh, I'm sure it was just a clerical error. You know how Doctors sometimes accidentally overlook some paper work...

It might be that in your little conservative paranoia every single doctor is a psychopath looking for victims to kill in all impunity... But I'd rather make my decisions on rational grounds, thanks.

[Gamecock]

Little paranoid conservative? Ok man, if the only thing you've got is absurd name-calling by your second post addressed to me, I can tell this won't be a productive conversation.

[Antonio the Sixth]

This is not name-calling. Read my post again.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Doctors do f[inks]uck up more than is polite to remember, of course. Human error is what it is, and there are some people in all fields who are frankly no good at their job.

But much of the problematic aspect to all of this isn't doctors so much as relatives. Which is an even less polite thought, I think.

[DC Al Fine]

This is not name-calling. Read my post again.

I've already pointed out how poorly regulated euthanasia is in the Netherlands. Your claims of paranoia are completely off base.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Doctors do f[inks]uck up more than is polite to remember, of course. Human error is what it is, and there are some people in all fields who are frankly no good at their job.

But much of the problematic aspect to all of this isn't doctors so much as relatives. Which is an even less polite thought, I think.

Wouldn't relatives be generally biased in the other direction though? I'd imagine it's more likely that they refuse to let one go rather than push him to.

[fezzyfestoon]

Who am I to tell anyone they can't die?

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Doctors do f[inks]uck up more than is polite to remember, of course. Human error is what it is, and there are some people in all fields who are frankly no good at their job.

But much of the problematic aspect to all of this isn't doctors so much as relatives. Which is an even less polite thought, I think.

Wouldn't relatives be generally biased in the other direction though? I'd imagine it's more likely that they refuse to let one go rather than push him to.

I'd think so too, but it depends on what your family's like. Not everybody's relatives are as good loving people as mine or (apparently) yours.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Doctors do f[inks]uck up more than is polite to remember, of course. Human error is what it is, and there are some people in all fields who are frankly no good at their job.

But much of the problematic aspect to all of this isn't doctors so much as relatives. Which is an even less polite thought, I think.

Wouldn't relatives be generally biased in the other direction though? I'd imagine it's more likely that they refuse to let one go rather than push him to.

I'd think so too, but it depends on what your family's like. Not everybody's relatives are as good loving people as mine or (apparently) yours.

Yeah, of course bad people do exist. And I certainly would want to do anything possible to avoid any abuses in euthanasia. Still, I think that the cases where people who want to die are unable to do so are much more frequent - and I would ever go as far as to say that such idea creeps me out much more than unwilling euthanasia.

[minionofmidas]

Doctors do f[inks]uck up more than is polite to remember, of course. Human error is what it is, and there are some people in all fields who are frankly no good at their job.

But much of the problematic aspect to all of this isn't doctors so much as relatives. Which is an even less polite thought, I think.

Wouldn't relatives be generally biased in the other direction though? I'd imagine it's more likely that they refuse to let one go rather than push him to.

Not if there's money at stake.

It's a class issue.

[Franzl]

It's a class issue.

What isn't?

[minionofmidas]

It's a class issue.

What isn't?

Nothing.

[Nichlemn]

Support.

Yes, there will be cases of abuse. But there are always downsides to any policy, it's stupid to think you have to eliminate all risk before you do something with great benefits.

And for many of the potential cases of abuse, quite frankly I wouldn't mind too much. A lot of the victims are going to be terminally ill patients who would otherwise incur huge medical bills. By any reasonable cost-benefit analysis they probably shouldn't be attempted to be kept alive.

[publicunofficial]

Support

Assisted suicide has been legal here in Washington for a while now, and there are no horror stories for the opposition to hold up as evidence that the law should be repealed. It's been legal even longer in Oregon, and again nothing we were warned about has happened


My neighbor was the first person to do it in the state. She was in constant pain, and would've been completely gone mentally by the time she died if she hadn't did it herself beforehand.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Sequim-woman-first-known-assisted-suicide-patient-1304106.php


There are also those who simply cannot commit suicide on their own, like some in this thread have suggested, without forcing a loved one into murdering them. A person with advanced Lou Gehrig's Disease can hardly fasten a noose.


I for one have a massive phobia of becoming crippled mentally or physically. If I am ever diagnosed with ALS or Alzheimer's I would make sure I die on my own terms while I'm still myself.

[politicus]

Support.

Yes, there will be cases of abuse. But there are always downsides to any policy, it's stupid to think you have to eliminate all risk before you do something with great benefits.

And for many of the potential cases of abuse, quite frankly I wouldn't mind too much. A lot of the victims are going to be terminally ill patients who would otherwise incur huge medical bills. By any reasonable cost-benefit analysis they probably shouldn't be attempted to be kept alive.

Making cost/beefit analysis about life and death is barbarian.

[Jordan]

Support

Apparently Christian busy-bodies and nosy neighbors believe it is their God-given right to make you suffer in excruciating pain all the way to the end.

[Supersonic]

Not sure.

This is one of them issues where I really haven't made my mind up. Sometimes I lean in favour, others times, against. If completely forced to make a choice, I would legalise it, though I would more likely abstain.