40th Anniversary of Roe vs. Wade Decision Legalizing Abortion

[Antonio the Sixth]

How could they possibly have lost more than they gained? Abortion has been legal nationwide for 40 years.

From a political standpoint, they lost a lot. Had abortion rights been legalized at the ballot box rather than by the judiciary, they'd be on a lot more stable footing and wouldn't even be a political issue at this point.

I agree. Without Roe, most of the country would likely have legalized abortion by referendum or ballot initiative or statute within the next decade or so. The whole rise of the Christian Right in the mid- and late-70s may never have happened.

But more importantly, Roe v. Wade led Conservative America to believe they couldn't trust the Supreme Court anymore. It fed into this notion that they were and are a persecuted minority (majority?) constantly being picked on by elite institutions (SCOTUS, government agencies, elite universities, the MSM).

I very highly doubt one single event prompted all this. There is a very large list of factors that can explain the rise of the Conservative Movement, but above all let's not forget it was in large parts a conscious and concerted effort by a small group of intellectuals, politicians and wealthy elites.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Abortions are becoming safe, legal, and rare. Morning after pills becoming norm and other contraceptives, also abstinance.

Legal? yes. Safe? an odd way to describe it, but that's relative I guess. But abortion is far from rare.  There has been a gradual reduction since the 1990s, but has gone up with the recession.  41 percent of pregnancies end in abortion in NYC. 

[HoosierPoliticalJunkie]

To make a decision of such moral gravity, is it really too much for a woman to have to drive for a few hours?  I like the idea of the waiting period, as it would help naturally lower the rate of mothers terminating the lives of their unborn children.

[All Along The Watchtower]

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More: http://io9.com/5958187/what-happens-to-women-denied-abortions-this-is-the-first-scientific-study-to-find-out?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Let's at least wait until it's peer-reviewed and published before we start promoting late-term abortions on the basis of a single study.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

As yes, this little number.  As expected, the zealatious cultists that comprise the American right wing did their fair best to make this a week long mourning of all the poor little zygotes lost in the last forty years of secular tyranny.  Of course, they should have been celebrating all the women whose lives were saved by access to safe, legal abortion... Being so pro-life and all.  As it is, they fail to hit the point on the head, as always. 

[DC Al Fine]

As yes, this little number.  As expected, the zealatious cultists that comprise the American right wing did their fair best to make this a week long mourning of all the poor little zygotes lost in the last forty years of secular tyranny.  Of course, they should have been celebrating all the women whose lives were saved by access to safe, legal abortion... Being so pro-life and all.  As it is, they fail to hit the point on the head, as always. 

Cite actual numbers please?

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

As yes, this little number.  As expected, the zealatious cultists that comprise the American right wing did their fair best to make this a week long mourning of all the poor little zygotes lost in the last forty years of secular tyranny.  Of course, they should have been celebrating all the women whose lives were saved by access to safe, legal abortion... Being so pro-life and all.  As it is, they fail to hit the point on the head, as always. 

Cite actual numbers please?

http://www.now.org/issues/abortion/roe30/beforeafter.html

[DC Al Fine]

As yes, this little number.  As expected, the zealatious cultists that comprise the American right wing did their fair best to make this a week long mourning of all the poor little zygotes lost in the last forty years of secular tyranny.  Of course, they should have been celebrating all the women whose lives were saved by access to safe, legal abortion... Being so pro-life and all.  As it is, they fail to hit the point on the head, as always. 

Cite actual numbers please?

http://www.now.org/issues/abortion/roe30/beforeafter.html

So using your own numbers, and the liberal estimate possible (maximum deaths, minimal illegal abortions) less than 0.2% of illegal abortions resulted in death. Meanwhile about 1% of abortions are late term, aka viable outside of the womb.

As Left Wing Activist Barbie says, "Math is hard!!!"

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

As yes, this little number.  As expected, the zealatious cultists that comprise the American right wing did their fair best to make this a week long mourning of all the poor little zygotes lost in the last forty years of secular tyranny.  Of course, they should have been celebrating all the women whose lives were saved by access to safe, legal abortion... Being so pro-life and all.  As it is, they fail to hit the point on the head, as always. 

Cite actual numbers please?

http://www.now.org/issues/abortion/roe30/beforeafter.html

So using your own numbers, and the liberal estimate possible (maximum deaths, minimal illegal abortions) less than 0.2% of illegal abortions resulted in death. Meanwhile about 1% of abortions are late term, aka viable outside of the womb.

As Left Wing Activist Barbie says, "Math is hard!!!"

Cite actual numbers, please.  Plus, hasn't there been a push to make late-term abortion illegal?  Furthermore, aren't most late-term abortions done to save the life of the mother? 

[DC Al Fine]

As yes, this little number.  As expected, the zealatious cultists that comprise the American right wing did their fair best to make this a week long mourning of all the poor little zygotes lost in the last forty years of secular tyranny.  Of course, they should have been celebrating all the women whose lives were saved by access to safe, legal abortion... Being so pro-life and all.  As it is, they fail to hit the point on the head, as always. 

Cite actual numbers please?

http://www.now.org/issues/abortion/roe30/beforeafter.html

So using your own numbers, and the liberal estimate possible (maximum deaths, minimal illegal abortions) less than 0.2% of illegal abortions resulted in death. Meanwhile about 1% of abortions are late term, aka viable outside of the womb.

As Left Wing Activist Barbie says, "Math is hard!!!"

Cite actual numbers, please.  Plus, hasn't there been a push to make late-term abortion illegal?  Furthermore, aren't most late-term abortions done to save the life of the mother? 

I'll retract the 1% statement. However, the point remains.

Women dying in illegal abortions<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Fetuses killed in legal abortions

The calculus is perfectly rational for a pro-lifer and your assertion of them missing the point is completely baseless.

I even regret the statement about viability as the early term one would mostly have developed in into healthy post-birth babies had they been carried to term.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

As yes, this little number.  As expected, the zealatious cultists that comprise the American right wing did their fair best to make this a week long mourning of all the poor little zygotes lost in the last forty years of secular tyranny.  Of course, they should have been celebrating all the women whose lives were saved by access to safe, legal abortion... Being so pro-life and all.  As it is, they fail to hit the point on the head, as always. 

Cite actual numbers please?

http://www.now.org/issues/abortion/roe30/beforeafter.html

So using your own numbers, and the liberal estimate possible (maximum deaths, minimal illegal abortions) less than 0.2% of illegal abortions resulted in death. Meanwhile about 1% of abortions are late term, aka viable outside of the womb.

As Left Wing Activist Barbie says, "Math is hard!!!"

Cite actual numbers, please.  Plus, hasn't there been a push to make late-term abortion illegal?  Furthermore, aren't most late-term abortions done to save the life of the mother? 

I'll retract the 1% statement. However, the point remains.

Women dying in illegal abortions<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Fetuses killed in legal abortions

The calculus is perfectly rational for a pro-lifer and your assertion of them missing the point is completely baseless.

I even regret the statement about viability as the early term one would mostly have developed in into healthy post-birth babies had they been carried to term.

That's fine...

But a woman who decides to have an abortion is certainly making a very tough decision.  Those who go against every instinct they have and decide on abortion, however messed up it is, are probably going to go ahead with it anyway.  In the past, this meant a higher risk of injury and death.  Plus... a vast, VAST majority of abortions are done very early on.  At that stage, yes, I put a much higher value on the life of the mother, who has aspirations, dreams, memories, friends, and families, than an embryo...  this is probably where our main difference lies.

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Casey vs. Planned Parenthood and Gonzales v. Carhart substantially weakened Roe vs. Wade.

[Jared]

How could they possibly have lost more than they gained? Abortion has been legal nationwide for 40 years.

All the momentum since the decision has been on the side of those seeking to restrict access as opposed to expanding it -which was not the case before.   Abortion may be legal -but it has gotten to the point that it has become merely technically legal for most of the country.  On the ground, it is as if the decision was never rendered.   

They were doing the same stuff before Roe v Wade.

[Frodo]

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg would have written the 1973 decision differently, it seems:

Ginsburg: Roe v. Wade too sweeping, gave abortion opponents target to ‘aim at relentlessly’

By Associated Press, Published: May 11 | Updated: Sunday, May 12, 1:39 PM

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[Antonio the Sixth]

Yeah, I tend to agree with that. Judicial activism of this extent is never a good thing for a democracy, and the ruling incredibly energized opponents, which is one of the reasons why anti-choice is still a mainstream position in the US to this day, whereas in most European countries no major politician would support it.