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« Reply #50 on: January 30, 2013, 08:59:04 AM »

I don't understand why those of us with issues with one moderator's over zealous actions means we should be forced to leave.  Roll Eyes
I'm not about "forcing" anybody to do anything, but if you find the mods actions here so freaking horrible that it turns in to a big stupid issue once a month or so, maybe you should take your excellent posts to another message board or maybe your own message board?  Most boards frown on a poster pimping their own board, but I doubt anybody here would care. 


Ok, maybe Inks Wink

but invite your friends, invite your enemies, have a ball doing the exact same things there as here, just without the mods.  It's certainly crossed my mind a time or four.  The general censorship here is a bit tame for my tastes, but I understand the reason for it and even think it makes sense as Dave has bigger fish frying than this Message Board and he must protect those fish in whatever way he thinks his best.  It's ignorant and childish to bitch about them (or how they are implemented), especially year after freaking year.
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« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2013, 09:45:57 AM »

Again, why would I leave because of an issue over one moderator? How about we solve the issue with the one moderator?
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« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2013, 09:56:37 AM »

Don't leave then, maybe just avoid the unimportant corner of the board where he is lord?  or live with the occasional pee pee smacks?
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« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2013, 10:46:21 AM »
« Edited: January 30, 2013, 11:05:02 AM by Seņor Macho Solo »

At least Inks doesn't deal with his fellow moderators any other way than with the rest of us. You may disagree with his policy but you got to respect his impartiality.

I don't. This is an ONLINE FORUM not a state prison, Inks needs to chill with his extreme hard-line policing. He's obsessed with the means as opposed to the ends and it makes for having a highly negative impact on the forum. The moderating community as a whole has reached that point. A little drunk on power, a little high on themselves, and a whole lot of unnecessary expressions of control over relative calm. This shouldn't even be a conversation, it's ridiculous. I'm of the mentality that unless something is wildly, universally offensive, leave it the hell alone until a problem actually arises rather than stirring the pot more than if we didn't even have moderators. They have completely defeated the purpose of their existence by exacerbating exactly what it is they're supposed to quell. Just chill the Inks out, yo. Now you've got me all peeved over nothing...and I'm gonna have to smoke a j now. Thanks a lot.
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« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2013, 11:50:45 AM »
« Edited: January 30, 2013, 11:59:19 AM by Torie »

Al's question was about free speech. Sure, reposting, even elsewhere, something that has been infracted is not appropriate. The poster should have attempted to get the infraction removed first, pain in the ass that, that might be. The speech question here is more difficult. It is about the infracting the impish "joke" in the first instance. Just how long a leash is appropriate, and should it be an adjustable leash?  And as to those questions/issues, there is no readily discernible answer or solution to that really.

My style would have been to put up a post asking the Board if they really wanted all that jive on their board, and if not, would folks please stop doing it, or delete, or whatever, appealing to reason and comity. I view moderators as facilitators, just trying to make this system work, and keep folks overall reasonably happy, within the TOS. Personally, to me it appeared in all good fun, and nobody seemed to mind, so in that instant case, I probably would have done nothing. But the point is these subjective judgment calls, all come down to moderator style and perspective I guess. Inks has a rather bright line approach. I am more, fuzzy, wuzzy, and try to take a more holistic approach, or whatever the appropriate psychobabble word is.

Participants here are just going to have to learn, that in the real world, up to a point, one needs to try to adapt to the different styles of those with some authority, even if you don't like the style much. We are all different.
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« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2013, 11:55:47 AM »
« Edited: January 30, 2013, 12:15:54 PM by Insula Dei »

Inks reminds me a bit of one of those scholastic nazi judges in a WW II movie.

EDIT: The sort of man who'd sentence you to 20 years' hard labour and would feel perfectly vindicated doing so.
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« Reply #56 on: January 30, 2013, 12:29:30 PM »

Just make me the dictator admin, guys.  I say it every time one of these mod scandals pop up.

It's that simple.
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« Reply #57 on: January 30, 2013, 12:42:21 PM »

Inks reminds me a bit of one of those scholastic nazi judges in a WW II movie.

EDIT: The sort of man who'd sentence you to 20 years' hard labour and would feel perfectly vindicated doing so.

You're going to get serious points for that one, dude.
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« Reply #58 on: January 30, 2013, 12:45:51 PM »

Just how long a leash is appropriate, and should it be an adjustable leash?  

Really, my man, the imagery you choose is quite disturbing.
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« Reply #59 on: January 30, 2013, 12:47:04 PM »

Just how long a leash is appropriate, and should it be an adjustable leash?  

Really, my man, the imagery you choose is quite disturbing.

It's an insight into the man, you see. 
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« Reply #60 on: January 30, 2013, 12:59:22 PM »

Just how long a leash is appropriate, and should it be an adjustable leash?  

Really, my man, the imagery you choose is quite disturbing.

You are such a sensitive soul opebo. You would never cut it as a lawyer. Smiley

Anyway, that is what we are assigned to do really - leash. Authority is sort of like democracy - it sucks, but it's typically better than the alternatives.
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« Reply #61 on: January 30, 2013, 01:00:01 PM »

Just how long a leash is appropriate, and should it be an adjustable leash?  

Really, my man, the imagery you choose is quite disturbing.

It's an insight into the man, you see. 

Hey, old man, at least you know where I am coming from. I'm an open book!  Tongue
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« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2013, 04:42:16 PM »
« Edited: January 30, 2013, 04:44:50 PM by ModerateCoward »

It looks like the moderating community is being torn apart. This is just the time for the CRI and the Poster's Union to strike.

Attacking Inks at the behest of Al is like attacking the Polish at the behest of Stalin or Hitler. Al is no victim- he, simply, is the problem. The IPU's efforts, if anti-Inksism was non-negotiable, would be better expended first freeing this forum from the necrotic mean-spiritedness of Al, then dealing with whatever they believe Inks is doing wrong.

Proper analysis has not been applied, Al is not a threat to posters, but Inks is. Al will likely not be a mod soon, but Inks will remain a mod.  Let me rephrase this: Al is a sunk ship, while Inks is still sinking.
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« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2013, 04:54:08 PM »

There is no rule on this forum (at least not yet) that you have to like My Little Pony. Making fun of a TV show is not in my view an infarctable offense quite possibly anywhere on the internet.
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« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2013, 04:57:54 PM »

There is no rule on this forum (at least not yet) that you have to like My Little Pony. Making fun of a TV show is not in my view an infarctable offense quite possibly anywhere on the internet.

On AlternateHistory.com, Lief, Torie, or Beet analgoues have been banned over conflicts relating to the show.
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« Reply #65 on: January 30, 2013, 05:11:23 PM »

There is no rule on this forum (at least not yet) that you have to like My Little Pony. Making fun of a TV show is not in my view an infarctable offense quite possibly anywhere on the internet.
Whatever this dude said.

And, also : https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=162267.msg3608480#msg3608480
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« Reply #66 on: January 30, 2013, 05:30:05 PM »

There is no rule on this forum (at least not yet) that you have to like My Little Pony. Making fun of a TV show is not in my view an infarctable offense quite possibly anywhere on the internet.

So if I posted a picture of spaghetti in the Italian Elections thread, you don't think Al would infract that?
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« Reply #67 on: January 30, 2013, 05:36:31 PM »

There is no rule on this forum (at least not yet) that you have to like My Little Pony. Making fun of a TV show is not in my view an infarctable offense quite possibly anywhere on the internet.

So if I posted a picture of spaghetti in the Italian Elections thread, you don't think Al would infract that?
He wouldn't if it was actually fun.
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« Reply #68 on: January 30, 2013, 05:44:05 PM »

There is no rule on this forum (at least not yet) that you have to like My Little Pony. Making fun of a TV show is not in my view an infarctable offense quite possibly anywhere on the internet.

So if I posted a picture of spaghetti in the Italian Elections thread, you don't think Al would infract that?

It's not a TV show but a serious discussion.
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« Reply #69 on: January 30, 2013, 07:53:35 PM »

In the My Little Pony thread, several posters began posting images of dead horses, decaying horses, and other pictures to rile up the MLP fans.  Al posted Tesco's logo, a supermarket who was found to have horse meat in their burgers....

Really Al?  Really?

Okay, where to begin?

Man, making fun of folks who are old enough to play with computers but who also actually enjoy My Little Pony is a bit like making fun of people in wheelchairs, or of retards.  Sure, we all do it, but only among close friends and certainly not in public.  I don't know what's wrong with these people either, and over a beer, just the two of us, I'd find the Tesco reference hilarious.  Oh, who am I kidding, it's hilarious here too. 

Still, it's a politically correct world.  Not a world that I would have created, but that's just the way it is.  You just can't expect to make fun of these people and get away with it.  I'm disappointed and a little surprised that you're unaware of this.

The gnawing suspicion I have is that it's more of a cult anyway.  I'd seen references to "bronies" on this forum for about a year, and sort of wondered what it meant, when one day I actually I saw a few minutes of an episode of that show with Elaine from Seinfeld when she was dating this guy who was dressed as a horse and...  Well, long story short, it explained what the term meant.  Clearly the show was making serious hard at the expense of the bronies, but to me it was a a vocabulary lesson.  Anyway, in retrospect, I find it hard to believe that grown men actually get into that, and that it is all some sort of bizarre cult.  Nevertheless, it's a cult that takes itself seriously.  Like men trapped inside womens' bodies or something. 

All that said, this whole infraction point system offends me on every level, and it has been ever since I first noticed it.  The forum was a better place before it existed, and you're a moderator, so in my book you are part of the system and therefore part of the problem.  You cannot claim at this point to be philosophically above a system that you uphold.  If you really don't like it, then show some balls and go on strike.  If you really feel that the system oppresses, then quit your moderator position this moment in protest.  Otherwise you'll get as much sympathy as a Kapo in a Konzentrationslager whining when he finds a jackboot's heel on his neck.
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« Reply #70 on: January 30, 2013, 10:52:45 PM »

There is no rule on this forum (at least not yet) that you have to like My Little Pony. Making fun of a TV show is not in my view an infarctable offense quite possibly anywhere on the internet.

So if I posted a picture of spaghetti in the Italian Elections thread, you don't think Al would infract that?

It's not a TV show but a serious discussion.

And a discussion about a show isn't serious?
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« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2013, 01:54:39 AM »

There is no rule on this forum (at least not yet) that you have to like My Little Pony. Making fun of a TV show is not in my view an infarctable offense quite possibly anywhere on the internet.
Maybe not, but thread sh**tting has certainly gotten people banned from places.  And it should.  It's low class.  My Little Pony is lame, no doubt about that, but not as lame as going into a My Little Pony thread to make fun of it.
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« Reply #72 on: January 31, 2013, 02:02:03 AM »

My Little Pony is lame, no doubt about that

Uh based on what? Have you seen it? And if you believe that's it's exclusively for little girls, explain this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPvIlknpfP0
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« Reply #73 on: January 31, 2013, 02:11:58 AM »

My Little Pony is lame, no doubt about that

Uh based on what? Have you seen it? And if you believe that's it's exclusively for little girls, explain this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPvIlknpfP0
Of course I've seen it, I live with a 16 year old girl that is nerdy.

As for the video, yes, and?  the Animaniacs were putting refrences in that their target audience wouldn't get 20 years ago, hell, Bugs Bunny was doing it 70 years ago.  It would still be weird if adult men worshipped any of these things.  Enjoy it quietly?  Sure, knock yourself out.  Hell, as I said, have your own freaking thread about it, you certainly won't get me in there giving you sh**t for it, as I'm not an asshole (ok, I am an asshole, but not THAT kind of asshole).
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« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2013, 02:19:46 AM »

Considering that Animaniacs was very obviously a show not intended exclusively for children (it even had a prime time Pinky and the Brain spinoff), or the old Looney Tunes, that kind of just proves the point. Also this is what the creator said about MLP:FiM:

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