Fracking critics run ad in Iowa aimed at Cuomo

[Mr. Morden]

No, I'm not using a Battlestar Galactica swear against those critics.  This is the other kind of fracking:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/enviros-warn-andrew-cuomo-on-fracking-87471.html?hp=f3

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So yes, rather than run the ad in New York State, they figure they'll be more likely to get his attention by airing it in Iowa.....since they figure the 2016 Iowa caucus will be a tougher slog for him than his 2014 New York reelection.

[opebo]

Why would this work particularly well in Iowa?  Does fracking threaten their gasohol boondoggle?

[Mr. Morden]

Why would this work particularly well in Iowa?  Does fracking threaten their gasohol boondoggle?

It's simply a threat by these activists that they'll hound Cuomo on this issue if he runs for the Democratic nomination for president.  It's run symbolically in Iowa, since it's the leadoff state in the nomination process.  It gets more attention this way than if it were run in New York, since Cuomo's reelection in New York is pretty much guaranteed.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Good start. Time to hit Cuomo on his austerity, union-busting, support for the GOP State Senate, and fracking.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Since shale gas is largely replacing coal in electricity generation, it has been the cause of a net reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. I have little patience with idiotic pseudo-environmentalists who think we can all get to the Rock Candy Mountain of no fossil fuels just by wishing it were so.

[Benj]

Since shale gas is largely replacing coal in electricity generation, it has been the cause of a net reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. I have little patience with idiotic pseudo-environmentalists who think we can all get to the Rock Candy Mountain of no fossil fuels just by wishing it were so.

The objections, at least in New York, are not mostly (or at all) about greenhouse gases or fossil fuels. They're mostly about polluting the water supply. NYC in particular is very proud of its pristine water supply, and in general there's a lot of fear of fracking poisoning drinking water. Fear that isn't totally unfounded, either, though *perhaps* overstated.

Edit: Though the ad appears to mention the word "climate", so perhaps they're trying to obfuscate the issue. Or are generally the stereotype you portray, though to be fair I suppose the sorts of groups this angry this many years in advance of any primary probably are that stereotype.

[Simfan34]

Since shale gas is largely replacing coal in electricity generation, it has been the cause of a net reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. I have little patience with idiotic pseudo-environmentalists who think we can all get to the Rock Candy Mountain of no fossil fuels just by wishing it were so.

Excellent. Even worse are the people here who want us to divest from fossil fuels, like we did with South Africa back in the day. As if there was something morally repugnant with fossil fuels. You must see the signs here and there, Lief. Ridiculous. Want us to give the wait staff raises too. As if tuition was determined by some independent variable.

[Lief 🗽]

Well we should definitely give the faculty house staff the money they're owed. Essentially they were given the opposite of raises. There used to be a "gratuity fee" of 20% or whatever on the bills charged to people who rented it out, and that went to the staff. Now they're renamed it a "service fee" and are pocketing it all.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Since shale gas is largely replacing coal in electricity generation, it has been the cause of a net reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. I have little patience with idiotic pseudo-environmentalists who think we can all get to the Rock Candy Mountain of no fossil fuels just by wishing it were so.

The objections, at least in New York, are not mostly (or at all) about greenhouse gases or fossil fuels. They're mostly about polluting the water supply. NYC in particular is very proud of its pristine water supply, and in general there's a lot of fear of fracking poisoning drinking water. Fear that isn't totally unfounded, either, though *perhaps* overstated.

Edit: Though the ad appears to mention the word "climate", so perhaps they're trying to obfuscate the issue. Or are generally the stereotype you portray, though to be fair I suppose the sorts of groups this angry this many years in advance of any primary probably are that stereotype.

Those fears are definitely overstated, tho not to the point that those who object to fracking on those grounds are total idiots.  Still, with limits on what can go into the fracking fluids and tight oversight of the actual drilling, I think the risks are low enough.

[muon2]

Since shale gas is largely replacing coal in electricity generation, it has been the cause of a net reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. I have little patience with idiotic pseudo-environmentalists who think we can all get to the Rock Candy Mountain of no fossil fuels just by wishing it were so.

The objections, at least in New York, are not mostly (or at all) about greenhouse gases or fossil fuels. They're mostly about polluting the water supply. NYC in particular is very proud of its pristine water supply, and in general there's a lot of fear of fracking poisoning drinking water. Fear that isn't totally unfounded, either, though *perhaps* overstated.

Edit: Though the ad appears to mention the word "climate", so perhaps they're trying to obfuscate the issue. Or are generally the stereotype you portray, though to be fair I suppose the sorts of groups this angry this many years in advance of any primary probably are that stereotype.

Those fears are definitely overstated, tho not to the point that those who object to fracking on those grounds are total idiots.  Still, with limits on what can go into the fracking fluids and tight oversight of the actual drilling, I think the risks are low enough.

Correct. The problem for fracking was that it came to PA and OH as the Great Recession was dawning, so the need for jobs trumped any look at regulations in those states. Subsequently, that's where the bulk of the reported problems have been. Over a dozen other states also have fracking and have been doing it longer and have developed a stronger regulatory framework. Generally they have seen no more problems than one would expect for any other hydrocarbon drilling operation.