Italy 2013 official results thread

[© tweed]

so a comedian holds the balance of power?

[RogueBeaver]

It has come in per Ministry results.

Final result: IBC 29.54, CR 29.18. 124,407 out of 35.2 million.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

so a comedian holds the balance of power?

Yes.

[Keystone Phil]

In the mother of all teases, the margin is beginning to narrow in my friend's race with forty precincts left.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

The result for Italians in Sweden so far:

PD - 31,2%
Monti - 24,8%
M5S - 20,3%
SEL - 8,3%
PdL - 6,2%

(LOL)
Well good on the Swedish Italians for rejecting Berlusconi so handily.

...

So the only actual coalition that could get a senate majority is a grand coalition between PD and PdL...

How soon til the new elections can be held at the earliest?

[Antonio the Sixth]

The Constitutional Court said no in 2006 when the margin was 0.1%, why would they give him one now with 0.4%? Hopefully certification comes through soon if it hasn't already. Still a couple of precincts in Lazio outstanding.

Which had to be for some bizarre reason. I'll never understand how there isn't a recount when the margin is that small. Closer to 0.5%, ok but 0.1%? That's an injustice. And I'm not saying Prodi wouldn't have won but how do you not recount the vote in that instance?

Phil, do you realize that a 100,000 vote margin is generally incontestable (and uncontested) in most European countries? The only reason the US has so many recounts is that you pathetically suck at properly counting votes.

[Antonio the Sixth]

All right, seat count time! Here's the House:

PD 292
M5S 108
PdL 97
SEL 37
Monti 37
Lega 18
FdI 9
UDC 8
CD 6
SVP 5
Vd'A 1

So, by coalition:

Left 340
Right 124
M5S 108
Monti 45
Others 1

Still no final results for the foreign constituency, but PD is leading in all of the except South America, where a local party comes ahead. Overall the left should get at 4 or 5 more seats there.

[RogueBeaver]

So are separate Senate elections allowed or not? That'd be the easiest way to break this deadlock.

[Keystone Phil]

The Constitutional Court said no in 2006 when the margin was 0.1%, why would they give him one now with 0.4%? Hopefully certification comes through soon if it hasn't already. Still a couple of precincts in Lazio outstanding.

Which had to be for some bizarre reason. I'll never understand how there isn't a recount when the margin is that small. Closer to 0.5%, ok but 0.1%? That's an injustice. And I'm not saying Prodi wouldn't have won but how do you not recount the vote in that instance?

Phil, do you realize that a 100,000 vote margin is generally incontestable (and uncontested) in most European countries? The only reason the US has so many recounts is that you pathetically suck at properly counting votes.

I acknowledge your latter point. Believe me, I understand. But you honestly don't believe a 0.1% margin is worth another look?

So are separate Senate elections allowed or not? That'd be the easiest way to break this deadlock.

I know it was mentioned but it just doesn't sound right. I've never heard of just one chamber being dissolved.

[danny]

Results from Israelis in Italy:

PdL - 54.9%
PD - 23.1%
Monti -  18.8%
M5S - 3.1%


Israelis love Silvio...

[MaxQue]

The Constitutional Court said no in 2006 when the margin was 0.1%, why would they give him one now with 0.4%? Hopefully certification comes through soon if it hasn't already. Still a couple of precincts in Lazio outstanding.

Which had to be for some bizarre reason. I'll never understand how there isn't a recount when the margin is that small. Closer to 0.5%, ok but 0.1%? That's an injustice. And I'm not saying Prodi wouldn't have won but how do you not recount the vote in that instance?

Phil, do you realize that a 100,000 vote margin is generally incontestable (and uncontested) in most European countries? The only reason the US has so many recounts is that you pathetically suck at properly counting votes.

I acknowledge your latter point. Believe me, I understand. But you honestly don't believe a 0.1% margin is worth another look?

Depends of what the margin in vote is.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The Constitutional Court said no in 2006 when the margin was 0.1%, why would they give him one now with 0.4%? Hopefully certification comes through soon if it hasn't already. Still a couple of precincts in Lazio outstanding.

Which had to be for some bizarre reason. I'll never understand how there isn't a recount when the margin is that small. Closer to 0.5%, ok but 0.1%? That's an injustice. And I'm not saying Prodi wouldn't have won but how do you not recount the vote in that instance?

Phil, do you realize that a 100,000 vote margin is generally incontestable (and uncontested) in most European countries? The only reason the US has so many recounts is that you pathetically suck at properly counting votes.

I acknowledge your latter point. Believe me, I understand. But you honestly don't believe a 0.1% margin is worth another look?

If there are accounts of irregularities somewhere, it should be possible to have a recount, yeah. That said, I'm not familiar with the 2006 case enough to judge here. But even if a recount might make sense when the margin is 20,000 votes it really doesn't when it's 120,000.

[justfollowingtheelections]

From what I have seen Italians living in Europe re very supportive of Monti while Italians in Italy don't seem to like him that much.  Can someone explain why?

[MaxQue]

From what I have seen Italians living in Europe re very supportive of Monti while Italians in Italy don't seem to like him that much.  Can someone explain why?

Less touched by austerity, I suppose.

[justfollowingtheelections]

From what I have seen Italians living in Europe re very supportive of Monti while Italians in Italy don't seem to like him that much.  Can someone explain why?

Less touched by austerity, I suppose.

Well yes, but why would they support Monti?

[MaxQue]

From what I have seen Italians living in Europe re very supportive of Monti while Italians in Italy don't seem to like him that much.  Can someone explain why?

Less touched by austerity, I suppose.

Well yes, but why would they support Monti?

They are right-wing and are ashamed by Berlusconi, which is in International news all the time for bad reasons?

[Franknburger]

Could anybody who is familiar with changes in the Italian party landscape over the last years put together a 2008-2013 vote comparison by party (not by coalition)?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Here's the Senate, with breakdown by region:

	Left	Right	M5S	Monti	Oth	Total
Piemonte	13	4	3	2		22
Lombardia	11	27	7	4		49
Veneto	4	14	4	2		24
FVG	4	1	1	1		7
Liguria	5	1	1	1		8
ER	13	4	4	1		22
Toscana	10	3	4	1		18
Umbria	4	1	1	1		7
Marche	5	1	1	1		8
Lazio	16	6	6			28
Abruzzo	1	4	2			7
Campania	6	16	5	2		29
Puglia	4	11	4	1		20
Basilicata	4	1	1	1		7
Calabria	2	6	2			10
Sicilia	5	14	6			25
Sardegna	5	1	2			8
Subtotal*	112	115	54	18		299
---
Molise	1	1				2
Vd'A					1	1
TAA	6	1				7
Abroad	4			1	1	6
---
Total	123	117	54	19	2	315

*Regions where the standard allocation system is used

[Antonio the Sixth]

Party tally:

PD 109
PdL 99
M5S 54
Monti 19
Lega 17
SEL 7
SVP 6
Megafono 1
GS 1
Vd'A 1
MAIE 1

[Antonio the Sixth]

The Senate is so ridiculous... The left leads by 280,000 but still gets less seats than the right among the "core" regions...

Italy's regional map seems to be a natural gerrymander, with regions won by the right totaling 164 seats while those won by the left only have 144. And even then, Piemonte, Molise and FVG were won below the left's national margin of victory, so it's actually 195 to 113. And then you Americans complain about the Electoral College...

[Lief 🗽]

From what I have seen Italians living in Europe re very supportive of Monti while Italians in Italy don't seem to like him that much.  Can someone explain why?

Less touched by austerity, I suppose.

Well yes, but why would they support Monti?

People who don't live in Italy should support Monti, because harsh austerity, while horrible for Italy, is the best for the Eurozone (and thus the rest of the world economy). In a nutshell.

[danny]

The Senate is so ridiculous... The left leads by 280,000 but still gets less seats than the right among the "core" regions...

Italy's regional map seems to be a natural gerrymander, with regions won by the right totaling 164 seats while those won by the left only have 144. And even then, Piemonte, Molise and FVG were won below the left's national margin of victory, so it's actually 195 to 113. And then you Americans complain about the Electoral College...

And that is the more representative house of parliament...

[Antonio the Sixth]

From what I have seen Italians living in Europe re very supportive of Monti while Italians in Italy don't seem to like him that much.  Can someone explain why?

Less touched by austerity, I suppose.

Well yes, but why would they support Monti?

People who don't live in Italy should support Monti, because harsh austerity, while horrible for Italy, is the best for the Eurozone (and thus the rest of the world economy). In a nutshell.

This actually isn't true, but the Very Serious People (which many expats likely are) indeed probably think so.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Well think of how Greek citizens who live in Germany long term would vote, and it makes sense.

[Tender Branson]

The Left finally won Piemont ?

Good to see, but it was not enough.

What's next ? New elections ?