Kyoto Accord Goes Into Effect Today (Feb 16, 2005)

[Richard]

Sorry what difference? Do you have the figures to back up your assumption? I suspect the number of people emigrating from the UK to the USA is fairly stable to be honest......would be happy to see your evidence though!

The lottery is filled 100% every year.  There are millions of people that want to move to the United States from all over the world, including from other western democracies.  You don't have massive lineups in France for people to get into the UK.  If the US was part of the EU so that people can move to the US to work there without visas (like in the EU), the US would have 400 million people tomorrow.

[scorpiogurl]

What a surprise!!! The ACTUAL figures for the UK tell a different story!!!

Have a look at http://www.migrationinformation.org

The figures for UK citizens becoming US citizens are as follows:

2000 16,109
2001 11,326
2002 8,207
2003 6,733

Seems that the trend is downwards!!!

Interestingly the trend for US immigration into the UK seems on the upward trail.......another surprise!!!

1998 1,260
1999 1,315
2000 1,615
2001 1,760

So what do we have then? UK immigration into the USA has fallen by 58% over the above period and US immigration into the UK has increased by 39% over a similar period. Not the story Richius is telling!!!

The REAL point I am trying to make Richius is that the absolute figures are tiny on both sides. The reality is that the populations of modern western European democracies are not clamouring to go and live in the USA and neither are citizens of the USA clamouring to leave.

You should really try and get some  perspective in your arguments!!!

[ATFFL]

The US has been much tighter on letting people into the US in recent years.  It is not a factor of less people wanting to get in, but less people being allowed in.

[Jake]

I finally found a list.

http://www.climnet.org/EUenergy/ratification/1990sharestable.htm
Not ratified
It reads like the who's who of reject countries

Afganistan (Bin Laden land)
Albania
Algeria
Andorra (tiny)
Angola
Australia (only other major 1st world country)
Bahrain
Bosnia
Brunei
Burkina Faso
Cape Verde (tiny)
Central African Republic
Chad
Colombia (war torn, thanks to US)
Comoros
Congo
Congo, Dem. Rep. of
Croatia
East Timor (very new)
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Guinea-Bissau
Haiti (government just overthrown by US)
Iraq (ummm, yeah)
Iran (State dept says terrorist)
Kazakhstan (
Kenya
Kuwait (why'd we free these bastards?)
Lebanon (sh**t is hitting the fan there)
Libya (State dept says terrorist)
Moldavo
Monaco (tiny)
Nepal (sh**t going down)
North Korea (North Korea and the United States are united)
Palestine (not really a country)
you forgot Poland - no it's not on this list
St. Kitts and Lewis (tiny)
San Marino  (tiny)
São Tomé and Príncipe (tiny)
Serbia
Sierra Leone (war torn)
Singapore
Suriname
Swaziland
Syria (State dept says terrorist)
Taiwan (maybe they're mad that they're not in the UN)
Tajikistan
Tanzania
United States (fits in quite well)
Vatican City  (tiny)
Venezuela
Zaire
Zambia
Zimbabwe (one of many election stealers on this list

Always knew the Australians were a smart bunch.  Also, Jfraud, the majority of countries here are developing and or low industrial nations.  And the rest are major exporters of oil and were smart enough to not sign something that hurts their interests.

[Richard]

What a surprise!!! The ACTUAL figures for the UK tell a different story!!!

Have a look at http://www.migrationinformation.org

The figures for UK citizens becoming US citizens are as follows:

2000 16,109
2001 11,326
2002 8,207
2003 6,733

Seems that the trend is downwards!!!

No sh**t, sherlock, with tighter security.

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Duh, American population growth > growth of immigration to the UK, hence, the relative rate of growth to the UK is actually going DOWN.  [the rate of the rate of change]

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You're a moron.

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Yes they are.  The US can't process visa applications fast enough!!  The green card lottery is full well in advance!

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I finally found a list.

http://www.climnet.org/EUenergy/ratification/1990sharestable.htm
Not ratified
It reads like the who's who of reject countries

Afganistan (Bin Laden land)
Albania
Algeria
Andorra (tiny)
Angola
Australia (only other major 1st world country)
Bahrain
Bosnia
Brunei
Burkina Faso
Cape Verde (tiny)
Central African Republic
Chad
Colombia (war torn, thanks to US)
Comoros
Congo
Congo, Dem. Rep. of
Croatia
East Timor (very new)
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Guinea-Bissau
Haiti (government just overthrown by US)
Iraq (ummm, yeah)
Iran (State dept says terrorist)
Kazakhstan (
Kenya
Kuwait (why'd we free these bastards?)
Lebanon (sh**t is hitting the fan there)
Libya (State dept says terrorist)
Moldavo
Monaco (tiny)
Nepal (sh**t going down)
North Korea (North Korea and the United States are united)
Palestine (not really a country)
you forgot Poland - no it's not on this list
St. Kitts and Lewis (tiny)
San Marino  (tiny)
São Tomé and Príncipe (tiny)
Serbia
Sierra Leone (war torn)
Singapore
Suriname
Swaziland
Syria (State dept says terrorist)
Taiwan (maybe they're mad that they're not in the UN)
Tajikistan
Tanzania
United States (fits in quite well)
Vatican City  (tiny)
Venezuela
Zaire
Zambia
Zimbabwe (one of many election stealers on this list

Always knew the Australians were a smart bunch.  Also, Jfraud, the majority of countries here are developing and or low industrial nations.  And the rest are major exporters of oil and were smart enough to not sign something that hurts their interests.

Those countries tend to fall into 3 catagories
1. Really tiny
2. Pretty new countries
3. War torn or terrrorism supporting countries


There are also a few that are just poor.

[Jake]

Low Industry/Developing
Afganistan
Albania
Bosnia
Burkina Faso
Central African Republic
Chad
Colombia
Croatia
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Guinea-Bissau
Haiti
Kenya
Lebanon
Moldavia
Nepal
North Korea
Serbia
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Suriname
Swaziland
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Zambia
Zimbabwe


Oil Exporters
Libya
Brunei
Venezuela
Kuwait
Iraq
Bahrain
Iran
Zaire
Gabon
Syria
Congo
Algeria
Angola
Kazakhstan

1st World
United States
Australia

Oh, and calling the US a terrorist nation is pretty uncalled for.

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Oh, and calling the US a terrorist nation is pretty uncalled for.

Only 1 country has been found guilty of terrorism by the world court.

[Jake]

Oh, and calling the US a terrorist nation is pretty uncalled for.

Only 1 country has been found guilty of terrorism by the world court.

Okay...The temperature at my house today was 39 degrees.

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Okay...The temperature at my house today was 39 degrees.

Gee, it's winter time, what do you expect?
Your data point does not disprove global warming.

Maybe you'll feel differently in August.

[Jake]

Okay...The temperature at my house today was 39 degrees.

Gee, it's winter time, what do you expect?
Your data point does not disprove global warming.

Maybe you'll feel differently in August.

I expect it to be wintry weather.  Hopefully, before I die the temperature cycle will be on the down slide back to actual winter temps (20-25 degrees).  And BTW, I was making a completely off topic remark like you terrorist nation/world court thing.

[scorpiogurl]

What a surprise!!! The ACTUAL figures for the UK tell a different story!!!

Have a look at http://www.migrationinformation.org

The figures for UK citizens becoming US citizens are as follows:

2000 16,109
2001 11,326
2002 8,207
2003 6,733

Seems that the trend is downwards!!!

No sh**t, sherlock, with tighter security.

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Duh, American population growth > growth of immigration to the UK, hence, the relative rate of growth to the UK is actually going DOWN.  [the rate of the rate of change]

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You're a moron.

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Yes they are.  The US can't process visa applications fast enough!!  The green card lottery is full well in advance!

There is no point arguing with you! You quite clearly have not grown up and matured........you cannot discuss issues without resorting to insulting people and your views of the world are those of a little boy!

Bye bye Richius (PS don't forget to take your teddy to bed!!!)

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Good riddance.