2013 Early Venezuela Presidential Election

[ag]

Does the CNE consist of Capriles-people as well, or is it "government-owned" ?

If the CNE consists of Capriles-people as well, it would be crazy to say they "fixed" these numbers by 500.000 votes without anyone complaining.

Of course, there were isolated problems in some precincts (2000 alltogether), but we are talking about more than 100K votes that were allegedly "fixed" ...

No Capriles people - where could they come from? The country has been dominated by Chavez for 15 years. One of the  5 commissioners might be an independent, though. The other 4, if I am not mistaken, have a reputation of being chavistas. No time to check now, though. There might be Capriles representatives observing the procedings - that I don't know.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Well, that was close....suspiciously close.....

[Niemeyerite]

Well, that was close....suspiciously close.....

And if the result had been 60-39 for Maduro it would have been wide.... suspiciously wide....

[Knives]

The best man won in the end I guess.

[Donerail]

Well, that was close....suspiciously close.....

And if the result had been 60-39 for Maduro it would have been wide.... suspiciously wide....

If the same reports we're getting now had been coming in with those results, yes, it would be.

[Niemeyerite]

Well, that was close....suspiciously close.....

And if the result had been 60-39 for Maduro it would have been wide.... suspiciously wide....

If the same reports we're getting now had been coming in with those results, yes, it would be.

Sanchez didn't talk about any report, FYI.

[RogueBeaver]

Capriles claims he won by less than a point using the 100k figure, Maduro says he won by 1.6. Either way the country's divided in 2 and could be a tinderbox.

[Bacon King]

Protests reported today in Caracas and Barinas State, both involving some degree of violent clashes.

[Donerail]

Well, that was close....suspiciously close.....

And if the result had been 60-39 for Maduro it would have been wide.... suspiciously wide....

If the same reports we're getting now had been coming in with those results, yes, it would be.

Sanchez didn't talk about any report, FYI.

I'm assuming he read the rest of the thread.

#MaduroPresidenteILEGITIMO is now trending on Twitter.

[RodPresident]

Maduro is very weak. He almost lost Barinas (Chavez home province). He'll need to do many things to prevent a recall in 2016. In 2018, candidate should be someone linked to Chavez, like Adam Chavez or Jorge Arreaza.

[RogueBeaver]

Results certified, Maduro sworn in. Streets heating up.

[Antonio the Sixth]

What a travesty.

[RogueBeaver]

We better hope that there's no violence, and especially no fatalities.

[RJEvans]

Capriles will be President of Venezuela...in 2018. He needs to remain the voice of the opposition, challenging Maduro. Essentially, run a 5-year campaign. Da Silva lost three times before he became a two-term President. He's still very young. Let Maduro and his cronies run Venezuela into the ground. Keep the voice of the opposition alive and he will be President.

[RogueBeaver]

Maduro saying a coup is imminent. I'd laugh were the situation not so delicate.

http://www.lapatilla.com/site/2013/04/15/nicolas-maduro-es-proclamado-presidente-de-venezuela/

[Antonio the Sixth]

Capriles will be President of Venezuela...in 2018. He needs to remain the voice of the opposition, challenging Maduro. Essentially, run a 5-year campaign. Da Silva lost three times before he became a two-term President. He's still very young. Let Maduro and his cronies run Venezuela into the ground. Keep the voice of the opposition alive and he will be President.

Yeah, the only thing that is certain is that almost winning this boosted Capriles' stature as the opposition leader, and he will certainly have new chances to compete (provided Venezuela doesn't degenerate into a dictatorship-in-all-but-name, which unfortunately cannot be excluded at this point).

[Tender Branson]

Maduro's lead increases to 262.000 with near final results (foreign precincts missing).

50.75% Maduro
48.98% Capriles

Almost a 2% margin now ...

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Capriles calling for a full recount.

No doubt Republicans on this thread will suddenly be for recounts.

Has Capriles called a recount only in Miami-Dade and Broward counties?

Gore called for a statewide recount a week after the election.

http://archives.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=731

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Maduro saying a coup is imminent. I'd laugh were the situation not so delicate.

http://www.lapatilla.com/site/2013/04/15/nicolas-maduro-es-proclamado-presidente-de-venezuela/

Not that far fetched. Thing number #2881222 on the list of things that the Bush administration did without really thinking through.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_coup_d'%C3%A9tat_attempt

[Tender Branson]

I should note that while the "foreign precincts" are still missing in the vote total, they will not change the result, because only 100.000 Venezuela people abroad are eligible to vote.

The current Maduro-lead is over 260.000 though.

[Franzl]

I should note that while the "foreign precincts" are still missing in the vote total, they will not change the result, because only 100.000 Venezuela people abroad are eligible to vote.

The current Maduro-lead is over 260.000 though.

The margin doesn't really tell you much about the fairness of an election.

[Tender Branson]

I should note that while the "foreign precincts" are still missing in the vote total, they will not change the result, because only 100.000 Venezuela people abroad are eligible to vote.

The current Maduro-lead is over 260.000 though.

The margin doesn't really tell you much about the fairness of an election.

True, but the margin increasing in the final updates from 1.5 to 1.8% now could indicate that the Capriles-folks were too sure of a win with let's say 90% of precincts in and then some Maduro-strongholds came in.

We often see that in Virginia for example as well: Romney/McCain leading early in and then NoVa comes in and changes everything. Remember when J.J. was calling a Bradley-effect when McCain was 10% ahead in VA in 2008 and ended up winning by 6 points ?

[Franzl]

I should note that while the "foreign precincts" are still missing in the vote total, they will not change the result, because only 100.000 Venezuela people abroad are eligible to vote.

The current Maduro-lead is over 260.000 though.

The margin doesn't really tell you much about the fairness of an election.

True, but the margin increasing in the final updates from 1.5 to 1.8% now could indicate that the Capriles-folks were too sure of a win with let's say 90% of precincts in and then some Maduro-strongholds came in.

We often see that in Virginia for example as well: Romney/McCain leading early in and then NoVa comes in and changes everything. Remember when J.J. was calling a Bradley-effect when McCain was 10% ahead in VA in 2008 and ended up winning by 6 points ?

Yes but J.J. is an idiot.

[Tender Branson]

"Look, I have officially won. Suck it, Capriles-backers !"

[Keystone Phil]

Capriles calling for a full recount.

No doubt Republicans on this thread will suddenly be for recounts.

Has Capriles called a recount only in Miami-Dade and Broward counties?

Gore called for a statewide recount a week after the election.

http://archives.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=731

Yeah. The tiny detail you're leaving out: November 10th (three days after the election) - Team Gore requests a recount only in Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach and Volusia counties.

That's enough of your nonsense for a few months now, jfern. Bye.