Surviving in a "right-to-work" state?

[Bandit3 the Worker]

How do people even survive in a right-to-scab state?

I'm not talking about execs and business owners. I'm talking about average workers.

[LastVoter]

How do people even survive in a right-to-scab state?

I'm not talking about execs and business owners. I'm talking about average workers.

They resort to crime and end up in jail or dead.

[John Dibble]

Well, by virtue of being average workers they have a job that provides income. They use this income to procure food, shelter, and other basic necessities for survival. In some cases the government helps through it's various programs to assist those with low income.

But in all seriousness is this a real question? In the grand scheme of human history, living in a modern first-world "right-to-work" state the average worker will probably be much better off than his counterpart in earlier eras.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Yes, all workers should be forced to join a union, and give up part of their salary to pay dues. How pro worker of you, Bandit.

[DC Al Fine]

How do people even survive in a right-to-scab state?

I'm not talking about execs and business owners. I'm talking about average workers.

But in all seriousness is this a real question? In the grand scheme of human history, living in a modern first-world "right-to-work" state the average worker will probably be much better off than his counterpart in earlier eras.

Better question: How did every single person before 1930 survive? After all, their real wages were lower than the average worker today.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

How do people even survive in a right-to-scab state?

I'm not talking about execs and business owners. I'm talking about average workers.

But in all seriousness is this a real question? In the grand scheme of human history, living in a modern first-world "right-to-work" state the average worker will probably be much better off than his counterpart in earlier eras.

Better question: How did every single person before 1930 survive? After all, their real wages were lower than the average worker today.

Items were cheaper due to a currency that was worth something. Thanks for nothing, Nixon!

[Obamanation]

Yes, all workers should be forced to join a union, and give up part of their salary to pay dues. How pro worker of you, Bandit.

Except they get more from the union than they put in: higher wages, increased job security.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Yes, all workers should be forced to join a union, and give up part of their salary to pay dues. How pro worker of you, Bandit.

Except they get more from the union than they put in: higher wages, increased job security.

They have a right to choose to join a union; if they don’t join a union or don't want higher wages, for whatever reason, they shouldn't have to take them. Being forced to join a union is as immoral as being forced to work in a factory.

[krazen1211]

Not being lazy is a start.

[pbrower2a]

Yes, all workers should be forced to join a union, and give up part of their salary to pay dues. How pro worker of you, Bandit.

Except they get more from the union than they put in: higher wages, increased job security.

They have a right to choose to join a union; if they don’t join a union or don't want higher wages, for whatever reason, they shouldn't have to take them. Being forced to join a union is as immoral as being forced to work in a factory.

Union workers are generally better workers because they have more of a stake in the system. Underpaid workers have a high turnover, and if corporations get cheaper workers they eventually get what they pay for.

In view of the social distance between tycoons and executives on the one hand and workers of any kind and the contemporary rapaciousness of economic elites, most people have good cause to join unions and pay dues. If one must choose between one union card and a wallet full of credit cards one union card can do one far more good because with union pay one is more likely to have the cash to pay for the American way of life.     

[HoosierPoliticalJunkie]

I'd rather work in a "right-to-scab" state like Iowa than in West Virginia, which has no right-to-work law. 

[Obamanation]

Yes, all workers should be forced to join a union, and give up part of their salary to pay dues. How pro worker of you, Bandit.

Except they get more from the union than they put in: higher wages, increased job security.

They have a right to choose to join a union; if they don’t join a union or don't want higher wages, for whatever reason, they shouldn't have to take them. Being forced to join a union is as immoral as being forced to work in a factory.

Except if you don't join a union you mooch off the union which has to represent you anyway. You become a "free-rider" (a take if you will) that the GOP sooo hates. Except the GOP doesn't really care about such things, they just care about feeding their donors.

[Indy Texas]

Yes, all workers should be forced to join a union, and give up part of their salary to pay dues. How pro worker of you, Bandit.

Except they get more from the union than they put in: higher wages, increased job security.

They have a right to choose to join a union; if they don’t join a union or don't want higher wages, for whatever reason, they shouldn't have to take them. Being forced to join a union is as immoral as being forced to work in a factory.

Except if you don't join a union you mooch off the union which has to represent you anyway. You become a "free-rider" (a take if you will) that the GOP sooo hates. Except the GOP doesn't really care about such things, they just care about feeding their donors.

So why does the union have to represent non-members? Why not simply have the collective bargaining agreements reached with management only apply to union members? The non-union members would be paid less.
If you're so convinced that union workers really are better workers, then employers would be willing to pay more for the better-quality work they do.

[King]

I'm so glad I'm white collar and don't have to care about this seriously.

[CatoMinor]

How do people even survive in a right-to-scab state?

I'm not talking about execs and business owners. I'm talking about average workers.

Pretty well. We may not make as much money, but the cost of living is also cheaper. You make it sound like the 88.6% of Americans who are not in a union work in some Chinese sweat shop.

[Benj]

Yes, all workers should be forced to join a union, and give up part of their salary to pay dues. How pro worker of you, Bandit.

Except they get more from the union than they put in: higher wages, increased job security.

They have a right to choose to join a union; if they don’t join a union or don't want higher wages, for whatever reason, they shouldn't have to take them. Being forced to join a union is as immoral as being forced to work in a factory.

This is a strange argument. Is it also immoral to require people to buy car insurance? Surely being a member of a car insurance plan is at least as burdensome as being a member of a union.

[DC Al Fine]

Yes, all workers should be forced to join a union, and give up part of their salary to pay dues. How pro worker of you, Bandit.

Except they get more from the union than they put in: higher wages, increased job security.

They have a right to choose to join a union; if they don’t join a union or don't want higher wages, for whatever reason, they shouldn't have to take them. Being forced to join a union is as immoral as being forced to work in a factory.

This is a strange argument. Is it also immoral to require people to buy car insurance? Surely being a member of a car insurance plan is at least as burdensome as being a member of a union.

Car insurance is required because of liability. Not joining a union doesn't put you at risk of a multi-million dollar liability.

[All Along The Watchtower]

One day at a time, paycheck-to-paycheck, etc.

[Lief 🗽]

"In such condition there is no place for industry, because the fruit thereof is uncertain, and consequently, not culture of the earth, no navigation, nor the use of commodities that may be imported by sea, no commodious building, no instruments of moving and removing such things as require much force, no knowledge of the face of the earth, no account of time, no arts, no letters, no society, and which is worst of all, continual fear and danger of violent death, and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

Miserably. Villainous business tycoons cackle as they pay their workers ten cents an hour. People regularly drop dead from the strain and are replaced by more desperate slaves from off the street, trampling over the corpses that are casually thrown onto the street. Children are forced to resort to panhandling to pay for life saving surgery because their parents died on the job and received no compensation. Anyone who protests is shot dead by Pinkertons because they have no union to protect them, and the cops knowingly turn the other way.

[Indy Texas]

Miserably. Villainous business tycoons cackle as they pay their workers ten cents an hour. People regularly drop dead from the strain and are replaced by more desperate slaves from off the street, trampling over the corpses that are casually thrown onto the street. Children are forced to resort to panhandling to pay for life saving surgery because their parents died on the job and received no compensation. Anyone who protests is shot dead by Pinkertons because they have no union to protect them, and the cops knowingly turn the other way.

And then Opebo was all, "Omygod I know, right...?"

[© tweed]

debt.

[dead0man]

How do people even survive in a right-to-scab state?

I'm not talking about execs and business owners. I'm talking about average workers.

Posting drunk again man? it makes you look silly and does your side a disservice.  THANK YOU!  Keep it up.

[Maxwell]

[Mechaman]

How do people even survive in a right-to-scab state?

I'm not talking about execs and business owners. I'm talking about average workers.

They resort to crime and end up in jail or dead.

Deadman posting.