Arkansas GOP Voted To Ax Sex Ed In State With Highest Teen Pregnancy Rate

[Torie]

I assume someone has noted that a substantial percentage of teens getting pregnant not married, etc. want to do so. They assume that the stack is wired against them, and they don't have a future, so why not feel important, and have someone to love, by having a baby?  This issue is not going to be "solved" by having more health classes, or birth control available. It's far deeper and more intractable than that.

[Zioneer]

Beebe still has the veto pen. Hoping for the best.

If Governor Herbert of Utah vetoed it (though in a special session after he originally signed it), then I'm sure Beebe will.

Veto's can be overridden with a simple majority in Arkansas though IIRC. Makes the governor's role borderline useless.

It usually works out that way in Utah as well, since the Governor is so spineless he's effectively the legislature's puppet. Sometimes it works out though, frex when he vetoed the "kill sex ed" bill and the "constitutional carry" bill.

[opebo]

I assume someone has noted that a substantial percentage of teens getting pregnant not married, etc. want to do so. They assume that the stack is wired against them, and they don't have a future, so why not feel important, and have someone to love, by having a baby?  This issue is not going to be "solved" by having more health classes, or birth control available. It's far deeper and more intractable than that.

Precisely.  Teen pregnancy is the fault - as is everything else - of the ruling class.  It is Bill Gats and Warran Buffet we should be aborting.

[DC Al Fine]

I assume someone has noted that a substantial percentage of teens getting pregnant not married, etc. want to do so. They assume that the stack is wired against them, and they don't have a future, so why not feel important, and have someone to love, by having a baby?  This issue is not going to be "solved" by having more health classes, or birth control available. It's far deeper and more intractable than that.

Amen. Let us not forget that we are wired to make babies and this kicks in during the teenage years. We'd be better off investing in intact homes and keeping families together.

[Badger]

I assume someone has noted that a substantial percentage of teens getting pregnant not married, etc. want to do so. They assume that the stack is wired against them, and they don't have a future, so why not feel important, and have someone to love, by having a baby?  This issue is not going to be "solved" by having more health classes, or birth control available. It's far deeper and more intractable than that.

Amen. Let us not forget that we are wired to make babies and this kicks in during the teenage years. We'd be better off investing in intact homes and keeping families together.

Investing, like meybe working to avoid unplanned pregnancies which dramatically destabilize homes and famlies?

[King]

I assume someone has noted that a substantial percentage of teens getting pregnant not married, etc. want to do so. They assume that the stack is wired against them, and they don't have a future, so why not feel important, and have someone to love, by having a baby?  This issue is not going to be "solved" by having more health classes, or birth control available. It's far deeper and more intractable than that.

While it may seem more off-putting because they're teens, those kind of pregnancies are still planned pregnancies.  Those are not preventable, but they're fine.  They still have, theoretically, a mother who wants the love of a baby and will take good care of it, even if there is intense poverty involved.

It's the unwanted ones which are the trouble and those are fully preventable.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I assume someone has noted that a substantial percentage of teens getting pregnant not married, etc. want to do so. They assume that the stack is wired against them, and they don't have a future, so why not feel important, and have someone to love, by having a baby?  This issue is not going to be "solved" by having more health classes, or birth control available. It's far deeper and more intractable than that.

While it may seem more off-putting because they're teens, those kind of pregnancies are still planned pregnancies.  Those are not preventable, but they're fine.  They still have, theoretically, a mother who wants the love of a baby and will take good care of it, even if there is intense poverty involved.

It's the unwanted ones which are the trouble and those are fully preventable.

"The trouble"?

Unwanted and unplanned are not the same.

[Badger]

I assume someone has noted that a substantial percentage of teens getting pregnant not married, etc. want to do so. They assume that the stack is wired against them, and they don't have a future, so why not feel important, and have someone to love, by having a baby?  This issue is not going to be "solved" by having more health classes, or birth control available. It's far deeper and more intractable than that.

While it may seem more off-putting because they're teens, those kind of pregnancies are still planned pregnancies.  Those are not preventable, but they're fine.  They still have, theoretically, a mother who wants the love of a baby and will take good care of it, even if there is intense poverty involved.

It's the unwanted ones which are the trouble and those are fully preventable.

"The trouble"?

Unwanted and unplanned are not the same.

It is for teenagers. Ergo the whole need for comprehensive sex ed in schools.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I assume someone has noted that a substantial percentage of teens getting pregnant not married, etc. want to do so. They assume that the stack is wired against them, and they don't have a future, so why not feel important, and have someone to love, by having a baby?  This issue is not going to be "solved" by having more health classes, or birth control available. It's far deeper and more intractable than that.

While it may seem more off-putting because they're teens, those kind of pregnancies are still planned pregnancies.  Those are not preventable, but they're fine.  They still have, theoretically, a mother who wants the love of a baby and will take good care of it, even if there is intense poverty involved.

It's the unwanted ones which are the trouble and those are fully preventable.

"The trouble"?

Unwanted and unplanned are not the same.

It is for teenagers. Ergo the whole need for comprehensive sex ed in schools.

So there's never teenagers who have unplanned pregnancies and want their child? 

[Badger]

I assume someone has noted that a substantial percentage of teens getting pregnant not married, etc. want to do so. They assume that the stack is wired against them, and they don't have a future, so why not feel important, and have someone to love, by having a baby?  This issue is not going to be "solved" by having more health classes, or birth control available. It's far deeper and more intractable than that.

While it may seem more off-putting because they're teens, those kind of pregnancies are still planned pregnancies.  Those are not preventable, but they're fine.  They still have, theoretically, a mother who wants the love of a baby and will take good care of it, even if there is intense poverty involved.

It's the unwanted ones which are the trouble and those are fully preventable.

"The trouble"?

Unwanted and unplanned are not the same.

It is for teenagers. Ergo the whole need for comprehensive sex ed in schools.

So there's never teenagers who have unplanned pregnancies and want their child? 

You phrased it as unwanted pregnancies. Even if a teen doesn't give up their child to adoption or have an abortion, there is hardly any teen who wants to be (and none who should be happy to be) pregnant when they discover it, unlike many adults with an unplanned pregnancy (my meighbors as a case inpoint now expecting their second as of two weeks ago ).

We may be arguing semantics here, but the bottom line is just because some teen mothers get by and raise kids well does NOT mean we should sacrifice comprehensive sex education by looking for 'the bright side' of teen pregnancy.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

You probably all need to understand - if you don't already - that this has certain obvious links to class.

[Torie]

I assume it was obvious, but for the record I am all in favor of sex education, from soup to nuts. I just don't think it is a panacea - in fact it is not even close to one.

[All Along The Watchtower]

You probably all need to understand - if you don't already - that this has certain obvious links to class.

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[memphis]

I assume someone has noted that a substantial percentage of teens getting pregnant not married, etc. want to do so. They assume that the stack is wired against them, and they don't have a future, so why not feel important, and have someone to love, by having a baby?  This issue is not going to be "solved" by having more health classes, or birth control available. It's far deeper and more intractable than that.

I knew quite a few pregnant girls in high school and this was not my observation at all. There is an enormous stigma against being pregnant in high school, and it's not like teenagers are in the business of seeking out responsibility. Instead, there was a great deal of recklessness and excitement about sex. Suggesting that girls are trying to get pregnant is giving them way more foresight and planning than was common.