HI 2014 Congressional Elections

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

So childish.....

Plus seeing how Hawaiian Senate seats have life terms, they would be wiser to give their seat to someone who can be in it longer. Schatz is what, 20 years younger? Its not like his voting will differ from her's at all.

I agree, there is no reason for her to primary him other than pure ambition of the worst order.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

We need more women in the us senate!

Allen West for Senate!  We need more African-American Senators.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Abercombrie is a f****** bastard, nothing new.

If I were in his shoes, and a dying Inouye had the arrogance to pick a successor, I'd tell him to piss off. Abercrombie really isn't in the wrong here.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Abercombrie is a f****** bastard, nothing new.

If I were in his shoes, and a dying Inouye had the arrogance to pick a successor, I'd tell him to piss off. Abercrombie really isn't in the wrong here.

It's not that I criticize. It's the fact he tries to justify his actions by attacking the veracity of Inouye's wishes.

Who cares about the veracity of Inouye's wishes. Inouye's wishes shouldn't matter at all, whether they were truly his "deathbed wishes" or not. The only purpose his letter has served in this whole debacle is the lessening of my opinion of Inouye.

Agreed, Inouye doesn't own the seat though he sure seems to have thought he did.  He had no business demanding Hanabusa be appointed as his successor and even if Hanabusa weren't the more conservative candidate, I'd still oppose her on principle because of Inouye's behavior.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Are

Abercombrie is a f****** bastard, nothing new.

If I were in his shoes, and a dying Inouye had the arrogance to pick a successor, I'd tell him to piss off. Abercrombie really isn't in the wrong here.

It's not that I criticize. It's the fact he tries to justify his actions by attacking the veracity of Inouye's wishes.

Who cares about the veracity of Inouye's wishes. Inouye's wishes shouldn't matter at all, whether they were truly his "deathbed wishes" or not. The only purpose his letter has served in this whole debacle is the lessening of my opinion of Inouye.

It's a bit "respect for an old man". That's all. Of course he has the right to appoint whenever he wants. But the fact that he tries to destroy Inouye's wish for justifying his actions is definitely awful.
Is it so difficult to understand?

It'd be one thing if Inouye simply made the request privately and then we never heard another word about it (not that this would make what Inouye did any less awful).  However, Inouye's staff paraded around the late Senator's letter and spent a good week or two bashing Abercrombie 24-7 for daring to defy the commands of King Inouye I.  Plus, Hanabusa's whole campaign is almost literally "Vote for me because Inouye said I could have his seat when he was done with it.  If Schatz wants to be a Senator, he should wait in line until it is his turn "  When Hanabusa, Inouye, and Inouye's staff conduct themselves the way they have, they lose the right to complain about people not showing "respect for an old man."  If that's what they wanted, than they shouldn't have behaved in such a revoltingly entitled and arrogant manner.  Actions have consequences  

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Are

Abercombrie is a f****** bastard, nothing new.

If I were in his shoes, and a dying Inouye had the arrogance to pick a successor, I'd tell him to piss off. Abercrombie really isn't in the wrong here.

It's not that I criticize. It's the fact he tries to justify his actions by attacking the veracity of Inouye's wishes.

Who cares about the veracity of Inouye's wishes. Inouye's wishes shouldn't matter at all, whether they were truly his "deathbed wishes" or not. The only purpose his letter has served in this whole debacle is the lessening of my opinion of Inouye.

It's a bit "respect for an old man". That's all. Of course he has the right to appoint whenever he wants. But the fact that he tries to destroy Inouye's wish for justifying his actions is definitely awful.
Is it so difficult to understand?

It'd be one thing if Inouye simply made the request privately and then we never heard another word about it (not that this would make what Inouye did any less awful).  However, Inouye's staff paraded around the late Senator's letter and spent a good week or two bashing Abercrombie 24-7 for daring to defy the commands of King Inouye I.  Plus, Hanabusa's whole campaign is almost literally "Vote for me because Inouye said I could have his seat when he was done with it.  If Schatz wants to be a Senator, he should wait in line until it is his turn "  When Hanabusa, Inouye, and Inouye's staff conduct themselves the way they have, they lose the right to complain about people not showing "respect for an old man."  If that's what they wanted, than they shouldn't have behaved in such a revoltingly entitled and arrogant manner.  Actions have consequences  

That's a blantant lie and I won't answer to pro Schatz disinformation. I have followed Hanabusa's campaign and I can assure you she's not campaigning on that.
http://hanabusaforhawaii.com/issues if you want to verify.
The pro Schatz movement has successfully used Inouye's wish against Hanabusa on this forum. Is it wrong that a dying senator said he would like someone to succeed him? No. And basically no Hanabusa supporter on this forum is campaigning on Inouye's wish. Yes, I was pissed off that she wasn't appointed, but if I'm supporting her, it's basically because I prefer her.
So literally, people who always speak about "Inouye's wish", it's the Schatz supporters.
What I was saying, and some people seem to have misunderstood, is that Abercrombie is a ing ass hole to say that it wasn't Inouye who had written that. Because it's a lie. THAT'S ALL. I'm not saying it wasn't his right to appoint Schatz.

Regarding the bolded part, pro-tip: "I don't agree with what you said, therefore I won't respond to it" isn't a very effective debate strategy.  I realize it can be frustrating when the facts aren't on your side, but surely you can do better than that   As for the rest of the post, of course Hanabusa's website doesn't literally say "I am running because Inouye said I could have his Senate when he was done with it."  My point is that from day one, that the letter (which it really is unclear if Inouye even wrote, so Abercrombie isn't necessarily wrong there either) has been essentially her whole underlying argument for why she should be in the Senate.  It has been her whole campaign theme and was very clearly her real reason for running.  Of course she hasn't literally said that, its like how Santorum has never literally said "I am a homophobic bigot who hates gay people and wants to enact state-sanctioned discrimination against them."  Honestly, I don't really care if Hanabusa supporters on the forum talk about the letter or not.  I care about how Hanabusa has made it the basis of her entire Senate campaign.  Lastly, I've read about a lot of Hanabusa supporters who talk about the Inouye letter.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Are

Abercombrie is a f****** bastard, nothing new.

If I were in his shoes, and a dying Inouye had the arrogance to pick a successor, I'd tell him to piss off. Abercrombie really isn't in the wrong here.

It's not that I criticize. It's the fact he tries to justify his actions by attacking the veracity of Inouye's wishes.

Who cares about the veracity of Inouye's wishes. Inouye's wishes shouldn't matter at all, whether they were truly his "deathbed wishes" or not. The only purpose his letter has served in this whole debacle is the lessening of my opinion of Inouye.

It's a bit "respect for an old man". That's all. Of course he has the right to appoint whenever he wants. But the fact that he tries to destroy Inouye's wish for justifying his actions is definitely awful.
Is it so difficult to understand?

It'd be one thing if Inouye simply made the request privately and then we never heard another word about it (not that this would make what Inouye did any less awful).  However, Inouye's staff paraded around the late Senator's letter and spent a good week or two bashing Abercrombie 24-7 for daring to defy the commands of King Inouye I.  Plus, Hanabusa's whole campaign is almost literally "Vote for me because Inouye said I could have his seat when he was done with it.  If Schatz wants to be a Senator, he should wait in line until it is his turn "  When Hanabusa, Inouye, and Inouye's staff conduct themselves the way they have, they lose the right to complain about people not showing "respect for an old man."  If that's what they wanted, than they shouldn't have behaved in such a revoltingly entitled and arrogant manner.  Actions have consequences  

That's a blantant lie and I won't answer to pro Schatz disinformation. I have followed Hanabusa's campaign and I can assure you she's not campaigning on that.
http://hanabusaforhawaii.com/issues if you want to verify.
The pro Schatz movement has successfully used Inouye's wish against Hanabusa on this forum. Is it wrong that a dying senator said he would like someone to succeed him? No. And basically no Hanabusa supporter on this forum is campaigning on Inouye's wish. Yes, I was pissed off that she wasn't appointed, but if I'm supporting her, it's basically because I prefer her.
So literally, people who always speak about "Inouye's wish", it's the Schatz supporters.
What I was saying, and some people seem to have misunderstood, is that Abercrombie is a ing ass hole to say that it wasn't Inouye who had written that. Because it's a lie. THAT'S ALL. I'm not saying it wasn't his right to appoint Schatz.

Regarding the bolded part, pro-tip: "I don't agree with what you said, therefore I won't respond to it" isn't a very effective debate strategy.  I realize it can be frustrating when the facts aren't on your side, but surely you can do better than that   As for the rest of the post, of course Hanabusa's website doesn't literally say "I am running because Inouye said I could have his Senate when he was done with it."  My point is that from day one, that the letter (which it really is unclear if Inouye even wrote, so Abercrombie isn't necessarily wrong there either) has been essentially her whole underlying argument for why she should be in the Senate.  It has been her whole campaign theme and was very clearly her real reason for running.  Of course she hasn't literally said that, its like how Santorum has never literally said "I am a homophobic bigot who hates gay people and wants to enact state-sanctioned discrimination against them."  Honestly, I don't really care if Hanabusa supporters on the forum talk about the letter or not.  I care about how Hanabusa has made it the basis of her entire Senate campaign.  Lastly, I've read about a lot of Hanabusa supporters who talk about the Inouye letter.

How can the facts be on my side because they don't exist?
And yes, it's still disinformation. She ran because there was an open seat and she has a decent  chance of winning. That's all. I fail to see how she has made it the basis of her entire Senate campaign.
And as I have said, that's a blatant lie from the Schatz supporters. She hasn't spoken about that during this campaign. That's a fact.

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And please, I have answered you in my last post, even if I have said "I won't answer to it". So it was much more a style effect, or something like that if you want!

Time for Windjammer's monthly Hanabusa freakout already?

I prefer to be once a month "freak" than being constantly a pest like yourself.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/20/1225307/-Endorsement-Gate-Blows-Up-in-Hanabusa-s-Face

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

It seems Hanabusa's campaign is entirely based on "Daniel Inouye wanted me to be senator, so you should vote for me"

You could just as easily say that Schatz's campaign is entirely based on "Neil Abercrombie wanted me to be a senator, plus muh incumbency, so you should vote for me."

At least Inouye is actually popular in the state. I support Schatz, but this has always been a pretty dumb line of attack. Hanabusa likely would've run regardless of whether or not Inouye wrote that letter, it's not like she's getting any younger.

Except the whole idea that Inouye, or even more accurately Inouye's staffers who claimed to speak for him, are somehow entitled to dictate the late Senator's replacement reeks of entitlement and was a disgusting display of his staff's desperation to cling to power.  The Governor's authority to appoint a Senator to fill the vacancy created by Inouye's death stems from Hawaii's laws rather than the entitlement of a handful of staffers and possibly a dead Senator.  Hanabusa is both more conservative than Inouye and is running almost entirely on her own sense of entitlement.  It would be one thing if she ran on her policy differences with Schatz, but we all know she hasn't.  The mere fact that she seems to believe the seat was Inouye's personal property is reason enough not to support her, imo.

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Looks like Colleen McDaniel was the best comparison for her after all.

Something tells me that she isn't McDaniel's type...

You mean because she's a minority?