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« on: February 21, 2005, 12:11:36 pm »

I've noticed that there's been a lot of excitment about Bayh in 2008 on these forums but the same enthusiasm isn't carried over to Mark Warner.  They both represent the same branch of the party,  but Warner seems to be a lot more charismatic than Bayh and Virginia is slightly less red than Indiana and thus would be easier to flip (and worth 2 more EVs).  I know Warner doesn't have the legislative experience/voting record of Bayh, but as we saw in 2004, is that such a bad thing?  Let me know your thoughts.
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2005, 12:19:04 pm »

bayh has much more experience. 
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2005, 11:10:51 pm »

Honestly, I don't know a lot about either candidate, but I would think that a southern governor would do better than a midwestern senator in a national election. Except that Warner's term has expired so I really am clueless at this point.
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2005, 11:12:57 pm »

Virginia has a 1-term limit for Governors.

Warner has business experience and executive experience as Governor... I don't see Bayh has having a decisive edge in that area.

I think Bayh is actually more popular in Indiana than Warner is in Virginia, but neither would be locks to carry their own state.

Both are pretty mechanical, not a lot of charisma. Warner is very smart but that's of questionable value.
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2005, 11:13:44 pm »

That's a really good question and I can't really tell you the answer.  I guess maybe people support Bayh because he has a much higher chance of taking Indiana than does Warner with Virginia.  But really I don't know.
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2005, 11:17:42 pm »

I believe Bayh does have more charisma than Warner. Perhaps Warner is better able to come across as folksy and an average guy than Bayh, but Bayh is much more tele/photo-genic. I think Bayh exudes more optimism. Plus, yes he has much more experience-  he was gov- I think for two terms- and now has Senate credentials. Warner has only one term- and can't be reelected, so will have Jimmy Carter experience in a post 9/11 world. Also Bayh is from a well known political family, so probably has higher name recognition- or will once the press starts really covering the race ("Oh, yeah, didn't his dad run for President in the 70s?")
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2005, 11:43:04 pm »

Yep,

Bayh's a pretty boy!   Unfortunately,  great hair and a killer smile aren't Constitutional requirements to become President.

You'll get Hillary and you'll like it.

Hell, even McCain says that she'll make a good President.  I guess that means that he doesn't think that he can beat her.
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2005, 11:44:48 pm »

Yep,

Bayh's a pretty boy!   Unfortunately,  great hair and a killer smile aren't Constitutional requirements to become President.

You'll get Hillary and you'll like it.

Hell, even McCain says that she'll make a good President.  I guess that means that he doesn't think that he can beat her.

Nah, but it helps. And so does getting such great numbers in Indiana.

If I get Hillary, I won't be liking it.

If McCain thinks he can't beat Hillary, he's the only one.
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2005, 11:53:18 pm »

I think Mccain could beat Hillary. I don't think Mccain will be given the chance to prove it.
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2005, 11:54:29 pm »

McCain is the only potential candidate that would gurantee victory for his party.
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2005, 11:55:21 pm »

I think Mccain could beat Hillary. I don't think Mccain will be given the chance to prove it.

I agree.  Unfortunetly, McCain is too old and sickly (I'd probably vote for him over Hillary).
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2005, 11:56:59 pm »

Hillary would pretty much lose in a landslide to any serious GOP nominee.
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2005, 11:57:25 pm »

McCain is the only potential candidate that would gurantee victory for his party.

Yeah, but it's only his party on Mondays and Wednesdays- They'll give it to a full time "believer."
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2005, 12:22:24 am »

Given a choice between Hillary and McCain, I'd have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary.  I would then have to immediately set about defeating her in 2012.
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2005, 12:24:11 am »

Given a choice between Hillary and McCain, I'd have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary.  I would then have to immediately set about defeating her in 2012.

Thats low...
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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2005, 12:26:22 am »

At least Hillary has core convictions.  McCain has become very squishy.
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« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2005, 12:41:26 am »

Squishy being independent and open minded?

The thing I like about McCain over Hillary is his independence. Bush and Hillary both are bought and paid for, riding the coattails of  coalitions a family member put together for them. It seems to me McCain refuses to taint himself in that way, and is clearly his own man.

That said, I'd probably vote for Hillary- especially if the GOP still controls congress and the Court has moved right.
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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2005, 01:18:29 pm »

What are Bayh's and Warner's stances on abortion? 
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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2005, 01:32:40 pm »

What are Bayh's and Warner's stances on abortion? 


Bayh is against still birth abortions and Im assuming Warner probably takes the same stance, but since he is a Governor he really doesnt have to take a Yes or No stance on abortion.
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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2005, 03:11:12 pm »

What are Bayh's and Warner's stances on abortion? 


Bayh is against still birth abortions and Im assuming Warner probably takes the same stance, but since he is a Governor he really doesnt have to take a Yes or No stance on abortion.

Warner is pro-choice, although I think he enacted some restrictions as governor.
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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2005, 06:01:03 pm »

McCain is bought and paid for by the Sunday talk shows.  He is all about face time.
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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2005, 06:37:56 pm »

The only politician NOT about TV face time is Bush because his aides are so afraid of how stupid he'll sound. It'd be nice to have a leader not afraid of the media.
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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2005, 07:14:47 pm »

maybe, but I 'd rather not have a President that is a media whore, either.

I'll make a deal with you.  You vote for McCain in the GOP primary, and I'l vote for Hillary in the Dems primary.
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« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2005, 07:16:11 pm »

...Alternately, you could vote for McCain in the GOP primary, seeing as you're the Republican, and he could vote Hillary in the Dem primary, seeing as he's the Democrat.
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« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2005, 07:21:35 pm »

Ace,

True, but I can't see myself ever voting for McCain, whereas TCash can.  Therefore, I'll saddle the Dems with Hillary, while he can attempt to stick the GOP with McCain.
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