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« on: June 21, 2013, 01:54:16 pm »

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2013, 02:15:46 pm »

I'm sure it's great if you can afford it. CT is an expensive place to live. And averaging states is problematic because  they are not homogenous. Nice neighborhoods in every state are going to outcompete rough parts of New Haven by any metric.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2013, 02:16:35 pm »

Oh my god: https://www.measureofamerica.org/maps/

IT'S SO PRETTY

Also I apparently grew up in the CD with the second-highest % of people having a high school diploma in the country.  Sweet!
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2013, 02:19:15 pm »

Arkansas' really gone down the past twenty years.  Wasn't it second in job growth around the time Bill Clinton was its governor?
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2013, 02:25:17 pm »

Notice how the free-bargaining states generally rank much better than the right-to-scab states?
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2013, 03:03:41 pm »

"According to measures of things liberals like in the abstract, Connecticut leads the nation in things liberals like in the abstract."

The so-called "Human Development Index," by the way, is one of the most hilarious bits of pseudo-econometrics ever devised.  Communists, whiny that Soviet Bloc countries were far behind their more-capitalist counterparts even in the liberal-Keynesian GDP measure (which includes any and all government purchases of goods and services, up to and including building stacks of $100 bills and setting them on fire), decided to create their own "alternative" index that would show that the Commies were really doing just as well, with such hilarious innovations as making educational enrollment and years of schooling - not educational outcomes, enrollment and years of schooling, whether it's preschool or college or students repeating a grade or students skipping grades - the main component, also in effect double-counting government spending on education.
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2013, 04:58:42 pm »
« Edited: June 21, 2013, 05:01:08 pm by The Head Beagle »

The so-called "Human Development Index," by the way, is one of the most hilarious bits of pseudo-econometrics ever devised.  Communists, whiny that Soviet Bloc countries were far behind their more-capitalist counterparts even in the liberal-Keynesian GDP measure (which includes any and all government purchases of goods and services, up to and including building stacks of $100 bills and setting them on fire), decided to create their own "alternative" index that would show that the Commies were really doing just as well, with such hilarious innovations as making educational enrollment and years of schooling - not educational outcomes, enrollment and years of schooling, whether it's preschool or college or students repeating a grade or students skipping grades - the main component, also in effect double-counting government spending on education.

What? The main instigator and developer of the the HDI was the economist Mahbub ul Haq, who was Director of Policy Planning at the World Bank in the 1970's and then led a program of deregulation as Pakistan's finance minister during that country's staunchly anti-Communist government in the 1980's. His interests were principally in the development of the Indian subcontinent and he had no connection or allegiance to the Soviet bloc.
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2013, 06:51:29 pm »

Minnesota, as usual, ranked very well in most of these indicators.

MN does particularly well in health.  We have the lowest rate of adult diabetes in the nation.  We're 2nd in life expectancy after Hawaii, though Minnesotan men live longer than men in any other state at 78.8 years compared to 83.3 for women (Hawaii is 84.7 for women but 78 for men).

MN has the lowest infant mortality rate of any state at 4 per 1000 births. 

We also rank first in voter participation.. MN actually is far ahead of the 2nd highest state at 78.7% compared to 72.4% for second place Wisconsin.

MN also has a relatively high number of women in the legislature at 34.8% (4th highest in the nation).

It seems MN outperformed the top HDI states in political participation, health, and in some parts of education.

MN lagged those states, however, in income.

Overall MN is a great place to live for people with healthy, active lifestyles.  It's also a great state in which to be pregnant or have a young child.  And the lower cost of living makes up for the lower income.
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2013, 07:47:56 pm »

"According to measures of things liberals like in the abstract, Connecticut leads the nation in things liberals like in the abstract."

The so-called "Human Development Index," by the way, is one of the most hilarious bits of pseudo-econometrics ever devised.  Communists, whiny that Soviet Bloc countries were far behind their more-capitalist counterparts even in the liberal-Keynesian GDP measure (which includes any and all government purchases of goods and services, up to and including building stacks of $100 bills and setting them on fire), decided to create their own "alternative" index that would show that the Commies were really doing just as well, with such hilarious innovations as making educational enrollment and years of schooling - not educational outcomes, enrollment and years of schooling, whether it's preschool or college or students repeating a grade or students skipping grades - the main component, also in effect double-counting government spending on education.

Even if Commies created it to laud their questionable achievements, the HDI can compare apples to apples -- as in one capitalist society to another. All US states are capitalist.  But there are differences in educational achievement, real income, and availability of medical care.


I would not want to live in any large Southern city. Crime rates are just too high for my tastes. That might not be reflected in HDI, but it is certainly a symptom of poor educational achievement and a commitment to cheap labor as an incentive to the attraction of big business. Cheap maid service might look good to executives, but not to someone who must work for a living.  



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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2013, 08:19:36 pm »
« Edited: June 21, 2013, 08:48:49 pm by wormyguy »

The so-called "Human Development Index," by the way, is one of the most hilarious bits of pseudo-econometrics ever devised.  Communists, whiny that Soviet Bloc countries were far behind their more-capitalist counterparts even in the liberal-Keynesian GDP measure (which includes any and all government purchases of goods and services, up to and including building stacks of $100 bills and setting them on fire), decided to create their own "alternative" index that would show that the Commies were really doing just as well, with such hilarious innovations as making educational enrollment and years of schooling - not educational outcomes, enrollment and years of schooling, whether it's preschool or college or students repeating a grade or students skipping grades - the main component, also in effect double-counting government spending on education.

What? The main instigator and developer of the the HDI was the economist Mahbub ul Haq, who was Director of Policy Planning at the World Bank in the 1970's and then led a program of deregulation as Pakistan's finance minister during that country's staunchly anti-Communist government in the 1980's. His interests were principally in the development of the Indian subcontinent and he had no connection or allegiance to the Soviet bloc.

The fact that pro-Soviet third-world apparatchiks in the late 80s didn't always base their policy recommendations on Das Kapital is supposed to be news to you or to me?

For your reading pleasure, I present the original 1990 report, which claims that East Germany was just about equally "developed" as the United States (naturally, the least "developed" of all first-world countries besides Portugal and South Korea, both of which were less "developed" than the entire European Soviet bloc), that North Korea and Zimbabwe are shining examples of economic miracles which should be emulated by all, and an assorted grab-bag of other far-left sermonizing.
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2013, 08:21:24 pm »

For your reading pleasure, I present the original 1990 report, which claims that East Germany was just about equally "developed" as the United States, that North Korea and Zimbabwe are shining examples of economic miracles which should be emulated by all, and an assorted grab-bag of other far-left sermonizing.

East Germany at its peak was MORE developed than the U.S. is now.
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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2013, 08:51:49 pm »

The so-called "Human Development Index," by the way, is one of the most hilarious bits of pseudo-econometrics ever devised.  Communists, whiny that Soviet Bloc countries were far behind their more-capitalist counterparts even in the liberal-Keynesian GDP measure (which includes any and all government purchases of goods and services, up to and including building stacks of $100 bills and setting them on fire), decided to create their own "alternative" index that would show that the Commies were really doing just as well, with such hilarious innovations as making educational enrollment and years of schooling - not educational outcomes, enrollment and years of schooling, whether it's preschool or college or students repeating a grade or students skipping grades - the main component, also in effect double-counting government spending on education.

What? The main instigator and developer of the the HDI was the economist Mahbub ul Haq, who was Director of Policy Planning at the World Bank in the 1970's and then led a program of deregulation as Pakistan's finance minister during that country's staunchly anti-Communist government in the 1980's. His interests were principally in the development of the Indian subcontinent and he had no connection or allegiance to the Soviet bloc.

The fact that pro-Soviet third-world apparatchiks in the late 80s didn't always base their policy recommendations on Das Kapital is supposed to be news to you or to me?

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean at all. Who is supposed to be the "pro-Soviet third-world apparatchik"? Mahbub ul Haq? His main intellectual collaborator in the HDI, Amartya Sen, 1998 economics Nobel Prize winner and lifelong liberal democrat? The Pakistani leader in the 80's in whose cabinet ul Haq served, Mohammad Zia ul-Haq, a conservative islamist who actively supported the anti-Soviet mujahideen in the Afghan war?
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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2013, 09:25:10 pm »

Also, the head of the UN Development Program at the time, who hired ul Haq as a Special Adviser to prepare the report, was William H. Draper III, whom I trust the linked bio will reveal as a not exactly pro-Soviet figure. The very opening text on the first page of the report you linked to, written by Draper, reads as follows:

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I trust that in the political context of 1990 it is clear why this does not qualify as a pro-Soviet text.
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2013, 09:57:26 pm »

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean at all. Who is supposed to be the "pro-Soviet third-world apparatchik"? Mahbub ul Haq? His main intellectual collaborator in the HDI, Amartya Sen, 1998 economics Nobel Prize winner and lifelong liberal democrat? The Pakistani leader in the 80's in whose cabinet ul Haq served, Mohammad Zia ul-Haq, a conservative islamist who actively supported the anti-Soviet mujahideen in the Afghan war?

Were Nasser and his allies not pro-Soviet because they cracked down on Soviet-backed groups within the region?  The Soviet Union essentially won a diplomatic coup during the Cold War by making "third-worldism" the thought-process behind nearly all third-world diplomatic pronouncements, oftentimes even those by ostensibly right-wing or anti-communist leaders.  The man in this case was, quite literally, in charge of producing Pakistan's 5-year plans.  And I was more thinking of Sen anyway, who, among other things, has claimed that India is worse than Maoist China because it has more unequal incomes, somehow transmogrifying into a worse mass death than the Great Leap Forward.

In any event, please defend the reports findings that East Germany was about equally "developed" to the United States, that the US was less "developed" than Italy, Spain, or Ireland, that the Soviet Bloc countries in general were nearly as "developed" as their Western counterparts, that Portugal and South Korea were less "developed" than the Eastern Bloc or Costa Rica, that the policies of North Korea and Zimbabwe are the key to economic growth, that China's rapid growth is - wait for it - all because of their "land reform," or really the entire far-left wish-list (complete with IMF-bashing) they outline without any unqualified proposals for liberalizing reforms:

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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2013, 10:35:33 pm »

I'm not interested in defending the report, much less claiming that it is "unbiased". It is clearly supportive of the development of a public welfare state focused on universal health and education. But my objection was simply to your claim that it was developed by "Communists". None of the central figures in its development were remotely Communist or pro-Soviet in their intellectual or political background. Regardless of how we should classify Nasser, Zia ul-Haq's government cannot be called pro-Soviet with even vague plausibiity. Amartya Sen is obviously not a Communist and has obviously not claimed what you attribute to him. Here is an example of Sen's fairly nuanced thinking about the comparison between India and China, which, as is common in Sen's discussion of the issue, contains an explicit discussion of the role of China's authoritarian government in contributing to catastrophic famine.
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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2013, 11:10:31 pm »

Sen's position is a matter of public record:

"India seems to manage to fill its cupboard with more skeletons every eight years than China put there in its years of shame (i.e. 1958-1961)."
Jean Dreze and Amartya Sen, Hunger and Public Action, (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1989)

I agree that ul-Haq and Sen were not Communists in the sense of being Marxist-Leninists, and they were not necessarily pro-Soviet in the sense of wanting the Soviet Union to have more influence within the borders of their own countries.  It is nevertheless plainly obvious that the report they produced has an extreme bias in favor of Soviet-backed regimes, in clear contravention of obvious reality, that does not strike one as a mistake honestly arrived at.
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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2013, 11:14:24 pm »

If Amartya Sen is a communist, it's a credit to communism. Btw, Sen has an article in the New York Times this week criticizing that India has done as much infrastructure investment as China. He wishes India would do better to learn from the East Asian development (dirigiste) model. Clearly, this idea is beyond the pale and he should bury himself in Lenin's tomb instead of writing articles.
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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2013, 06:06:15 am »

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I think that's also noteworthy in how the states ending up in their rankings.

Also, yay at California being tied for #3 for life expectancy.
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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2013, 09:45:48 am »

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I think that's also noteworthy in how the states ending up in their rankings.

Also, yay at California being tied for #3 for life expectancy.

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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2013, 10:07:30 am »

so...best places for slate readers to live?
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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2013, 11:21:07 am »

I'm sure it's great if you can afford it. CT is an expensive place to live. And averaging states is problematic because  they are not homogenous. Nice neighborhoods in every state are going to outcompete rough parts of New Haven by any metric.

There are nice parts of greater San Antonio, Detroit, Houston, Miami, and Tampa-St. Pete, too; those might out-compete New York City, San Francisco, Washington DC, or Boston on the average.   

States cannot avoid the fiscal effects of having a big under-performer of a city as the biggest city. Detroit is a huge drain on Michigan resources as Minneapolis-St. Paul isn't. Of course one might ask what Greater Detroit (and Michigan state government) was doing to hedge against the relative decline of the auto industry. If you live in Traverse City, you can't avoid paying a price for economic distress in Detroit.

GDP per capita is not enough to decide what states fare better in HDI.  Louisiana fares well in GDP per capita (17th) but is 46th in HDI, indicating that much of the income within the state is going to something other than health, education, public services -- and good personal habits. (Maybe people eat too much and smoke more than average... watch too much TV and read too little). In contrast, Vermont is 34th in GDP per capita (the most rural state in the northeastern US), but the state is above average (15th)  in HDI. I suppose that Vermont is not the sort of state that one goes to to get rich quickly in... but the state seems to have good health, education, and public services, and people have good habits. Vermont probably has good government.... and Louisiana is infamous for a heritage of incompetence, neglect, corruption, and demagoguery.

Race? Vermont and West Virginia are two of the "whitest" states, yet Vermont is well above average in HDI and West Virginia is toward the bottom.  Just check the PDF. 

The map of HDI has a remarkable correlation to the results of the 2008 or 2012 Presidential election... take your pick.   

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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2013, 12:31:38 pm »

Blank map.



Ranking -- low (80%) on the darkest level, high on the lightest level (20%). I am using yellow for this map, which will have an obvious justification in the map that follows this one:



sat    HDI range

20% (5.94 - 6.17)
30% (5.38 - 5.74)
40% (5.04 - 5.31)
50% (4.71 - 4.96)
60% (4.50 - 4.65)
70% (4.12 - 4.35)
80% (3.81 - 4.04)


Districts of Maine and Nebraska are shown as white for lack of further information. I have chosen to draw divides where there seems to be a discernible gap.
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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2013, 01:06:43 pm »
« Edited: April 27, 2015, 09:46:42 pm by pbrower2a »



Ranking -- low (80%) on the darkest level, high on the lightest level (20%).  I chose to shade Maine and Nebraska districts as the states themselves.


sat    HDI range

20% (5.94 - 6.17)
30% (5.38 - 5.74)
40% (5.04 - 5.31)
50% (4.71 - 4.96)
60% (4.50 - 4.65)
70% (4.12 - 4.35)
80% (3.81 - 4.04)


Districts of Maine and Nebraska are shown as white for lack of further information. I have chosen to draw divides where there seems to be a discernible gap.

Now the kicker: Shade the states to green (allusion to blue as used elsewhere) if they voted for the Republican in both 2008 and 2012. Shade them to orange (allusion to red as used elsewhere) if they went for Barack Obama in both 2008 and 2012. Don't  shade those two states and NE-02 which voted differently in 2008 and 2012.



(The two congressional districts of Maine would look like the state as a whole, but the color program does not shade orange for single districts).

Does anyone wish to explain why so few states (and those that do have few electoral votes) shade in pale green or dark orange?
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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2013, 11:27:32 pm »

New Jersey is soooooo much better than Connecticut. 

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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2013, 10:13:50 am »

As someone who lives in the state, this has much more to do with the fact that CT is a small, highly developed state with wealthy suburbs all over the place and few (relatively speaking) poor areas.
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