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« on: June 19, 2013, 06:21:37 am »

50% Hillary Clinton
43% Jeb Bush

53% Hillary Clinton
41% Marco Rubio

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47% Jeb Bush
43% Joe Biden

45% Marco Rubio
43% Joe Biden

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Quinnipiac surveyed 1,176 registered voters from June 11-16 for the poll, which has a margin of error of plus-minus 2.9 percentage points.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/2016-election-hillary-clinton-marco-rubio-jeb-bush-93033.html
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2013, 05:14:16 pm »

I'd give Hillary a really good shot at winning FL even against Rubio in 2016, she's definitely a better candidate for Florida than Obama ever was.

1) better with old folks
2) anyone who does well in the northeast (as in 60% plus) and wins big in the midwest will do well in Florida, Hillary probably runs better than Obama here in this still fairly white demographic in the upper midwest and New England.
3) GOP is pretty much maxed out with southern whites, see northern FL 2012
4) Hillary does fine with Latinos, will probably have no trouble winning in the Orlando area. Of course she'd drop a bit from Obama in Dade County.
5) The home-state effect may be less for Rubio compared to what like Bill Clinton in Arkansas. Most Floridians are first or second generation and formed political identities before moving here, similar reasoning explains why everyone down here still roots for their home sports teams from New York, Boston, Chicago etc.
6) Hillary will be stronger in Palm Beach (a lot of NYers) and places like Volusia with white working-class voters.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2013, 11:20:43 am »

Florida really is a microcosm of America as a whole in politics. It has people from all parts of the US and their descendants... and a large Latin immigration. It is close enough that its statewide results tempt shenanigans. Who the Governor is can decide the state in a close election. Florida was the last state to decide in the 2012 election (as in 2000)... and in view of Rick Scott it is a good thing for Democrats that Colorado, Ohio, and Virginia made Florida irrelevant. 
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2013, 08:07:29 pm »

Why the fascination with Hillary Clinton. 2008 showed she is very overrated by both parties. Republicans have a phobia of her being able to win so they freak out and overestimate her chances in order to get their base to the polls to vote against her. Democrats overestimate her chances because they're Democrats and have wishful liberal thinking. Sure, she could win the presidency, but it's very unrealistic to think she could beat Jeb Bush in FL or Perry in TX just because a poll in 2013 shows her doing well. Wouldn't we rather wait until every vote is cast to see if she wins FL or for all states for that matter?
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2013, 09:50:12 am »
« Edited: July 07, 2013, 10:10:10 am by Paulygirl »

With Republicans squawking so much about social issues, I can't say that I'm surprised. They need to get their heads out and talk about fiscal issues. They'd get way more votes that way.
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2013, 03:05:59 am »

Why the fascination with Hillary Clinton. 2008 showed she is very overrated by both parties. Republicans have a phobia of her being able to win so they freak out and overestimate her chances in order to get their base to the polls to vote against her. Democrats overestimate her chances because they're Democrats and have wishful liberal thinking. Sure, she could win the presidency, but it's very unrealistic to think she could beat Jeb Bush in FL or Perry in TX just because a poll in 2013 shows her doing well. Wouldn't we rather wait until every vote is cast to see if she wins FL or for all states for that matter?

1. Political nostalgia for Bill Clinton with the possibility of such allowing Democrats to win back a bunch of Congressional seats, particularly in the South.

2. Democrats do not expect to win by simply promising to continue the legacy of  Barack Obama.

3. Hillary Clinton can address issues such as poverty that Barack Obama dared not bring up.

4. Few Democrats wish to see a Presidential defeat looming in 2016.

5. Of course much will change by November 2016. 
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2013, 10:07:14 pm »

Why the fascination with Hillary Clinton. 2008 showed she is very overrated by both parties. Republicans have a phobia of her being able to win so they freak out and overestimate her chances in order to get their base to the polls to vote against her. Democrats overestimate her chances because they're Democrats and have wishful liberal thinking. Sure, she could win the presidency, but it's very unrealistic to think she could beat Jeb Bush in FL or Perry in TX just because a poll in 2013 shows her doing well. Wouldn't we rather wait until every vote is cast to see if she wins FL or for all states for that matter?

1. Political nostalgia for Bill Clinton with the possibility of such allowing Democrats to win back a bunch of Congressional seats, particularly in the South.

2. Democrats do not expect to win by simply promising to continue the legacy of  Barack Obama.

3. Hillary Clinton can address issues such as poverty that Barack Obama dared not bring up.

4. Few Democrats wish to see a Presidential defeat looming in 2016.

5. Of course much will change by November 2016. 

This is true but what are you saying? What I'm asking is how does this help Hillary Clinton win or more precisely are you saying this is why Democrats are in such support of her?
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2013, 07:12:09 am »

Why the fascination with Hillary Clinton. 2008 showed she is very overrated by both parties. Republicans have a phobia of her being able to win so they freak out and overestimate her chances in order to get their base to the polls to vote against her. Democrats overestimate her chances because they're Democrats and have wishful liberal thinking. Sure, she could win the presidency, but it's very unrealistic to think she could beat Jeb Bush in FL or Perry in TX just because a poll in 2013 shows her doing well. Wouldn't we rather wait until every vote is cast to see if she wins FL or for all states for that matter?

1. Political nostalgia for Bill Clinton with the possibility of such allowing Democrats to win back a bunch of Congressional seats, particularly in the South.

2. Democrats do not expect to win by simply promising to continue the legacy of  Barack Obama.

3. Hillary Clinton can address issues such as poverty that Barack Obama dared not bring up.

4. Few Democrats wish to see a Presidential defeat looming in 2016.

5. Of course much will change by November 2016. 

This is true but what are you saying? What I'm asking is how does this help Hillary Clinton win or more precisely are you saying this is why Democrats are in such support of her?

So far they see others losing. "More of the same" rarely succeeds at the end of a second term.  The Democrats will need to use the Obama Presidency as a springboard to something better, and the compromises that the current President will have made to get day-to-day legislation passed will not be enough.  Obviously the Hard Right will offer change.

Hillary Clinton is obviously not seen as "more of the same".
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2013, 07:02:29 pm »

Why the fascination with Hillary Clinton. 2008 showed she is very overrated by both parties. Republicans have a phobia of her being able to win so they freak out and overestimate her chances in order to get their base to the polls to vote against her. Democrats overestimate her chances because they're Democrats and have wishful liberal thinking. Sure, she could win the presidency, but it's very unrealistic to think she could beat Jeb Bush in FL or Perry in TX just because a poll in 2013 shows her doing well. Wouldn't we rather wait until every vote is cast to see if she wins FL or for all states for that matter?

1. Political nostalgia for Bill Clinton with the possibility of such allowing Democrats to win back a bunch of Congressional seats, particularly in the South.

2. Democrats do not expect to win by simply promising to continue the legacy of  Barack Obama.

3. Hillary Clinton can address issues such as poverty that Barack Obama dared not bring up.

4. Few Democrats wish to see a Presidential defeat looming in 2016.

5. Of course much will change by November 2016. 

This is true but what are you saying? What I'm asking is how does this help Hillary Clinton win or more precisely are you saying this is why Democrats are in such support of her?

So far they see others losing. "More of the same" rarely succeeds at the end of a second term.  The Democrats will need to use the Obama Presidency as a springboard to something better, and the compromises that the current President will have made to get day-to-day legislation passed will not be enough.  Obviously the Hard Right will offer change.

Hillary Clinton is obviously not seen as "more of the same".

Serving as his secretary of state may tie her to Obama. We'll have to see.
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