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« on: February 27, 2005, 07:12:38 pm »

"There are only 35 months until the start of the presidential primary season, reminds Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia's nonpartisan Center for Politics.

So he's already dissecting the potential contenders in his Crystal Ball newsletter.

This week it was a look at the Democrats, and Sabato agrees that New York Sen. Hillary Clinton is the early frontrunner. Her pluses, he says, are her name, her fund-raising ability and her fan base in the party. Her minuses: baggage and history, Sabato says.

Then there's Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry ("almost no enthusiasm" among Democrats for a rerun, Sabato says), former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards (didn't do much for 2004 ticket, Sabato says), Virginia Gov. Mark Warner, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack, Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen, North Carolina Gov. Mike Easley, Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, Sens. Joe Biden of Delaware and Russ Feingold of Wisconsin -- and Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana.

Bayh, of course, has deflected questions about '08 almost daily.

Sabato points to the political credentials of Bayh winning in a very Republican state, his centrist voting record, his strong family image and "warm, modest style" for television.

"But does he have the passion and commitment to win?" Sabato asks. "Can he rev up his often-bland rhetorical skills? Most of all, can he ever convince an increasingly liberal Democratic electorate to select him instead of an ideological soul mate like Hillary Clinton?"

We have 35 months to find out."

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050227/NEWS0104/502270413/1008/NEWS01
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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2005, 07:16:13 pm »

Hillary will continue to be a hawk on defense and foreign policy, rendering her NOT an ideological soulmate with the Dean wing of the party.
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2005, 07:56:55 pm »
« Edited: February 27, 2005, 07:58:54 pm by nickshepDEM »

Hillary will continue to be a hawk on defense and foreign policy, rendering her NOT an ideological soulmate with the Dean wing of the party.

True. It's sad to think that JFK could not get nominated in today's Democratic Party, with his tax cuts and tough foreign policy.

He'd get my vote.  I have nothing against tax cuts. Its irresponsible tax cuts that make absoulutley no sense and serve this country no good.  Also, Im pretty pro-military and tough foreign policy myself, but in my opinion The War in Iraq has completley diverted our attention and forces away from the War on Terror.
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2005, 08:03:59 pm »
« Edited: February 27, 2005, 08:06:32 pm by nickshepDEM »



But the great majority of party activists are pacifists. They'd come out in force against any candidate favoring a strong foreign policy.

I know and it sucks.  Funny you mentionall this because I was thinking today how great it would be to have a serious 2008 Democratic candidate who was a foreign policy and defense hawk.  (Hillary Clinton doesnt count)
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2005, 08:30:37 pm »

nickshep,

Why discount Hillary?
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2005, 09:00:35 pm »

nickshep,

Why discount Hillary?

Her hawkishness is all show. Shes preparing to try and steel some moderate center-right votes in 2008.
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2005, 09:03:08 pm »

I would take Hillary over John Kerry any day, actually.
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2005, 09:11:19 pm »

I agree with Ace.  Even a Dem who only feigns a move to the right, is better than a Dem marching lock-step to the left.
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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2005, 03:05:08 pm »

I agree with Ace.  Even a Dem who only feigns a move to the right, is better than a Dem marching lock-step to the left.

Deficit cut, free trade, patriot act, gay marriage, no child left behind, restricting violent videos to minors, immigrant visas, war on Iraq, war on Terrorism.
I wouldn't vote Conservatively for a lot of these things, and I am a moderate Democrat.  But Kerry did; he and I are about the same in moderacy.  Saying that he's "lock-step to the left" is incorrect, no matter how you look at his record.
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2005, 08:27:47 pm »

Kerry voted for lots of things, then just as quickly distanced himself from his own record. 

Will the REAL John Kerry please stand up?
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2005, 10:36:24 pm »

Kerry voted for lots of things, then just as quickly distanced himself from his own record. 

Will the REAL John Kerry please stand up?

Jesus, do you have to keep kicking John Kerry? The guy lost!
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