Thread for "What If" stories.....

[Ben.]

Then George Bush and his GOP White Knights ride in and save the day from the evil despotic Democrats (BOO!)....


Reaganfan you have to be one of the most partisan posters on this board... and i must admit i kinda admire it!

[Ben.]

Why, what makes you think I am bi-partisan? Go ahead, write your own stories!

No that’s not what i was getting at though... its just your wildly partisan, look at say Gustaf or Al or even Boss Tweedy (well so long as we aren’t talking about Kerry) moderately partisan but you my friend are wildly so! even if it flies in the face of reality... but don’t worry its commendable in a way and adds colour to politics, hell look at Jesse Helms or Pat Buchanan or even Gingrich all added colour all very very partisan!  

[Ben.]

Are you serious?

Are you?... come on it was funny... as was yours...

PS: I'm NOT being intentionally mean here!... but then having read this you know proably know how every one else reacted to your Alternative History...

[Ben.]

Maybe i should post this in its own thread, I dont want to try and distract from PBrunsel's Timline... which is good if partisan...

[Ben.]

Errr, does that have Charlton Heston as President?

Oh dear, mass exodus to Canada.

Mr President Let my people go!


Interesting from 1980 to 2008 one Democratic president , it just wouldn’t happen, imho... added to that I think that Heston on a ticket with Reagan wouldn’t work...too conservative and too many actors... as Bush VP or as the presidential nominee himself Heston would be viable but other than that he couldn’t run especially as Reagan's VP... but in other circumstances he could be a viable GOP candidate for president, he is as good if not a better speaker than Reagan however he has a tendency to make gaffes especially over race and that could be a big problem...  
     

[Ben.]

Interesting from 1980 to 2008 one Democratic president , it just wouldn’t happen  
     

if bush wins this fall IT IS one democratic president from 1980 to 2008

Good point... but i was focusing more on the fact that in the timeline there is one, one termer, democratic president, and some how the republicans win and win presidential elections, which hasn’t happened and i believe wouldn’t happen...  

[Ben.]

Sorry for the double post, I didn't think I'd get this done so soon.

2004:

The Presidential election drags on with neither side gaining a permanent lead. John Kerry picks John Edwards as his Vice President in hope to lure some southern states. Throughout the year the economy keeps increasing with thousands of new jobs created brining the total up to 2.8 million jobs returned to the public. The Iraqi conflict being a thorn in President Bush’s side even though the condition doesn’t improve. In late October, taking the initiative, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld resign and are replaced with Rudy Giuliani as Vice President and John McCain as Secretary of Defense.
With their help President Bush retains the presidency with a larger gap then expected.

Bush/Giuliani: 359
Kerry/Edwards: 179

2005:

While swearing in President Bush Al-Queda launches a massive terrorist attack on Washington DC by dozens of suicide bombers. While most of the attack is prevented some small pockets go off killing under 50 people, among which, Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich. The year goes by regularly quietly with several major protests against the US in Ontario, Canada and France and a couple hundred thousand of new jobs being created and unemployment falling to 4.6%.

2006:

When Congress reopens President Bush introduces three monumental bills. The first to activate the National Guard and round up all illegal aliens. in the US and sending them back to Mexico along with sealing off the southern boarder to all illegal traffic and to shoot anyone on site no questions asks. The second is to have a vote in Puerto Rico for either statehood or freedom, no “stay the way we are” vote allowed. The third is to ban abortion from 8 weeks on, the reason is that the fetus gets a heartbeat at that date and nothing without a heartbeat is alive. Debate rages on all three issues and the Puerto Rico bill easily passes by early July. Meanwhile Israel launches massive attacks on Palestinian settlements in early February and has succeeded in driving most of them out of Israel and into Syria.

2007:

Puerto Rico votes in mid-March and the vote is overwhelmingly in favor of Statehood with a vote of 98% for statehood to 2% for independence. Puerto Rico becomes the 51st state on April 1st. By late April Congress has grudgingly passed the last two bills and massive raids begin throughout the country. 30,000 illegals from all countries are detained and shipped back to their country of origin. The National Guard is now posted along the boarder with Mexico and is supplied with state-of-the-art military weaponry for the job at hand. Illegal immigration suddenly comes to a halt as the bodies begin to pile up along the boarder and the flow north begins to slacken. Most abortions also drop dramatically and the future looks in great shape. Rudy Giuliani announces he is seeking the Republican nomination for President in the 2008 election. A host of Democrats also throw in their names with none other than Hillary Clinton. By late 2007 Syria, Lebanon and Egypt have raised massive armies and aimed them at the heart of Israel.

2008:

Hillary and Rudy barely scrape thorough the primaries and caucuses with a majority lead of less than 15 delegates each. Both candidates pick their Vice Presidential candidates early in the election, Hillary with her husband, Bill Clinton, and Rudy with Jeb Bush. Nader also announces that he’ll run for the Progressive Party yet again and throws a surprise punch by nominating Howard Dean as his Vice Presidential candidate.. Israel’s armies have defeated the three opposing nations by early July and completely annexed all of Syria and Lebanon and all the Sinai Peninsula. The campaigning goes on as normal with Hillary’s popularity falling throughout the campaign. On election day Puerto Rico votes for the first time and it comes in at a complete tie early in the night. With Congress still in cession and still in Republican hands they quickly vote for all the electoral votes to go to Rudy. In the end the election throws a major surprise winning Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Jersey and Delaware.

Giuliani/Bush: 408
Clinton/Clinton: 94
Nader/Dean: 44

Rudy wins in a virtual landslide and with Nader’s upset the Progressive Party gains federal funds and the US officially gains a third party!

 Pretty unlikely!

Sorry... but its pretty unlikely!  

[Ben.]

Sorry for the double post, I didn't think I'd get this done so soon.

2004:

The Presidential election drags on with neither side gaining a permanent lead. John Kerry picks John Edwards as his Vice President in hope to lure some southern states. Throughout the year the economy keeps increasing with thousands of new jobs created brining the total up to 2.8 million jobs returned to the public. The Iraqi conflict being a thorn in President Bush’s side even though the condition doesn’t improve. In late October, taking the initiative, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld resign and are replaced with Rudy Giuliani as Vice President and John McCain as Secretary of Defense.
With their help President Bush retains the presidency with a larger gap then expected.

Bush/Giuliani: 359
Kerry/Edwards: 179

2005:

While swearing in President Bush Al-Queda launches a massive terrorist attack on Washington DC by dozens of suicide bombers. While most of the attack is prevented some small pockets go off killing under 50 people, among which, Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich. The year goes by regularly quietly with several major protests against the US in Ontario, Canada and France and a couple hundred thousand of new jobs being created and unemployment falling to 4.6%.

2006:

When Congress reopens President Bush introduces three monumental bills. The first to activate the National Guard and round up all illegal aliens. in the US and sending them back to Mexico along with sealing off the southern boarder to all illegal traffic and to shoot anyone on site no questions asks. The second is to have a vote in Puerto Rico for either statehood or freedom, no “stay the way we are” vote allowed. The third is to ban abortion from 8 weeks on, the reason is that the fetus gets a heartbeat at that date and nothing without a heartbeat is alive. Debate rages on all three issues and the Puerto Rico bill easily passes by early July. Meanwhile Israel launches massive attacks on Palestinian settlements in early February and has succeeded in driving most of them out of Israel and into Syria.

2007:

Puerto Rico votes in mid-March and the vote is overwhelmingly in favor of Statehood with a vote of 98% for statehood to 2% for independence. Puerto Rico becomes the 51st state on April 1st. By late April Congress has grudgingly passed the last two bills and massive raids begin throughout the country. 30,000 illegals from all countries are detained and shipped back to their country of origin. The National Guard is now posted along the boarder with Mexico and is supplied with state-of-the-art military weaponry for the job at hand. Illegal immigration suddenly comes to a halt as the bodies begin to pile up along the boarder and the flow north begins to slacken. Most abortions also drop dramatically and the future looks in great shape. Rudy Giuliani announces he is seeking the Republican nomination for President in the 2008 election. A host of Democrats also throw in their names with none other than Hillary Clinton. By late 2007 Syria, Lebanon and Egypt have raised massive armies and aimed them at the heart of Israel.

2008:

Hillary and Rudy barely scrape thorough the primaries and caucuses with a majority lead of less than 15 delegates each. Both candidates pick their Vice Presidential candidates early in the election, Hillary with her husband, Bill Clinton, and Rudy with Jeb Bush. Nader also announces that he’ll run for the Progressive Party yet again and throws a surprise punch by nominating Howard Dean as his Vice Presidential candidate.. Israel’s armies have defeated the three opposing nations by early July and completely annexed all of Syria and Lebanon and all the Sinai Peninsula. The campaigning goes on as normal with Hillary’s popularity falling throughout the campaign. On election day Puerto Rico votes for the first time and it comes in at a complete tie early in the night. With Congress still in cession and still in Republican hands they quickly vote for all the electoral votes to go to Rudy. In the end the election throws a major surprise winning Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Jersey and Delaware.

Giuliani/Bush: 408
Clinton/Clinton: 94
Nader/Dean: 44

Rudy wins in a virtual landslide and with Nader’s upset the Progressive Party gains federal funds and the US officially gains a third party!

Good story, KEEP GOING!!!

You would say that... its a (with all due respect) completely unlikely, wishful filling Republican day dream at least be a little bit objective for G**'s sake!  

This Timeline has no relation to the real world.  

[Ben.]

Sorry for the double post again but I again didn't think this would be done so soon.

2013:

Israel defeats Egypt after the destructive 2 year war and annexes it entirely. Rudy enters an amendment into Congress after much pressuring by his Republican counterparts. The first of which bans gay marriage but allow civil unions. Most of the public is overjoyed and the still Republican controlled Congress passes the 28 amendment. Mass protests are held in Washington DC against President Giuliani and the Republican Party but with no acknowledgement of them they disband in record time. Rudy finally mobilizes a military and sends them north into Canadian territory. With their help the Canadian army already trapped in Northeastern Alberta is crushed. With the threat of the US army moving eastward, Canada surrenders and is given harsh terms. All of Western Canada plus Quebec is free and Canada has to disband all its military forces and is not able to rebuild for 30 years.

2014:

The Progressive Party in a stunning victory wins a large number of seats in the House of Representatives and the Senate making total 50% Republican, 25% Democrat, and 25% Progressive. The US annexes Western Canada and makes them territories. Only small local protests occur while the rest is indifferent to the change. The Democratic Party enters a bill that will allow the Mexican territories to vote for statehood. With a lean vote it passes with the help of the Progressives and a small number of Republicans. The vote is held late in the year and the results end with Baja (the entire peninsula): 62% statehood and 38% for remain as a territory while Sonora and Chihuahua vote 20% statehood and 80% to remain a territory. Baja enters the Union as the 52 state on December 1st with a total of 4 electoral votes. On Christmas day the new country of Quebec gives a good will gesture of all its land south of the St. Lawrence River for assuring its freedom from Canada.

2015:

The territory of Maritime (the land given by Quebec) holds a plebiscite for US statehood and the measure passes 70% for statehood, 20% for staying a territory, and 10% for freedom. With the measure passing it goes before the Congress and is granted statehood by another lean vote. Maritime because the 53 state on January 15 with 5 electoral votes. The Republicans are aghast at the 2 new states brought into the union and break up the 7 Canadian territories into 9. With the help of a few Progressives the bill passes and a vote is held in the Canadian territories. Vancouver (former Vancouver Island): 68% for statehood, 32% for remaining a territory. British Columbia: 64% for statehood, 36% for remaining a territory. Alberta: 88% for statehood, 12% for remaining a territory. Saskatchewan: 77% for statehood, 23% for remaining a territory. Manitoba: 65% for statehood, 35% for remaining a territory. Yukon: 90% for statehood, 10% for remaining a territory. Northwestern Territories: 71% for statehood, 29% for remaining a territory. Nunavut: 92% for statehood, 8% for remaining a territory. Arctica (all the islands that used to make up the Northwestern Territories and Nunavut): 73% for statehood, 27% for remaining a territory. All 9 territories enter the Union on June 5 with 3 electoral votes each. Vice President Jeb Bush announces he will run for the Republican nomination. The Democrats turn to Milton Mortar the virtual nobody that was recently elected Mayor of Los Angeles after a short campaign gave him tremendous support.

2016:

Jeb Bush wins the nomination with relative ease but his popularity plummets at the publics thought of another Bush in the white house. With no one opposing Milton Mortar he, like Al Gore is the undisputed Democratic Candidate. The Progressive Party churns out Dale Drew who will oppose the 2 main parties. Jeb Bush chooses Sean Hannity, the phenomenal radio and television star. Milton Mortar picks Henry Oper, the newly elected Democratic Governor of Florida. Dale Drew picks Katie Kern for his Vice Presidential candidate. With little happening the whole world is tuned into the fierce fight of the greatly enlarged US. Throughout the year Jeb Bush slowly regains his popularity after his horrible start. Republicans and Democrats are both confidant that they can win the states that they can win the states they just brought in so they limit their campaigning seriously in those areas. Election night is tense with serious upsets beginning to happen in Canada with the Alliance and Bloc Quebecois Party gaining some electoral votes. With John Apple and his Vice Presidential candidate Michael Moor for the Alliance Party and Louis LaRousse and Louis Biederman for the Block Quebecois Party.

Bush/Hannity: 323
Mortar/Oper: 113
Drew/Kern: 114
Apple/Moor: 27
LaRousse/Biederman: 5

Draining votes from the Republicans and Democrats helps the Progressive Party pull ahead of the Democrats! Even with the Alliance Parties campaigning down south in the original 50 states, they don’t get any support and announce that they will be joining the Republican Party.

Oh this is great LOL!

[Ben.]

Possible future Presidents:

President Bill Owens
President John McCain
President Rudy Giuliani
President George Pataki
President John Edwards
President Joe Lieberman
President Condolezza Rice

ANYBODY FOR FUTURE DEMOCRATS? Only one I could see currently as presidents are Lieberman and Edwards.

Lieberman is too old, he also makes the mistake of too often defining himself in opposition to the left of his own party which is the same mistake that someone like Pataki or Spectre have made in the GOP only there it is the right within the GOP.

…Dems…

Edwards is definitely a possibility.

Mike Easley is someone people don’t notice but he might have a shot in 2008 or 2012.

Harold Ford if he wins the senate race after Frist steps down.

Ed Rendell if he can sort out PA as he sorted out Philadelphia then he will win re-election and become very quickly a very prominent figure in the national democratic party.

Mark Warner, if he continues on the broadly successful path that he has been following as governor and leaves office with good poll numbers (VA governors a term limited to one term).

Mary Landrieu.

Ben Chandler, he only recently lost the gubernational race in Kentucky but then won an impressive victory in the congressional district previously held by Ernie Fletcher and he has a style that could resonate well with voters at the national level but he would have to be elevated to the senate or perhaps try again for the governorship.

…GOP…        

Bill Owens, a definite possibility.

John McCain only if he ran in 2008, if he didn’t he would really be too old, a terrible shame (imho he could have been a great president).

Bill Frist, perhaps but again he would have to run in 2008 or maybe at a stretch in 2012, but he is dull and given to gaffs.

Tom Ridge, perhaps, he certainly got the experience, rather boring to listen to though.

Ernie Fletcher, again needs some testing, but there may be potential there.

George Pataki, possibly but a Moore type candidate could run and divert some conservative votes while at the same time Pataki doesn’t have a great campaigning style but it all depends on who he was facing however even if he won he would still be unlikely to carry New York against a Democrat at a national level.  

 Rudy Giuliani, very unlikely but not impossible, if nominated and not up agasit a really strong democrat he could win, however  Moore type would run.


   
Condolezza Rice… not a possibility