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« on: March 03, 2005, 02:01:18 am »

Um yeah, Ferraro gave Mondale such a huge boost among Italian Catholics, right? Kerry was an Irish Catholic.

This is why Super is right and you are wrong.  Going to mass does not make you Catholic, living a life based on Church teaching does.  Driving your wife to the brink of suicide, divorcing her and marrying your colleague's rich widow, backing abortion on demand, and raising a daughter who wears a see trough dress to the Cannes film festival is not Catholic.  Kerry is a Catholic in name only.  Ferraro is also a Catholic in name only.  They are elite northeastern liberals who subscribe to a cocktail party ideology and use their religion for show.  Real Catholics sense this, and don't consider these people to be Catholic.

so what the hell does this have to do with ethnicity then? There's plenty of Irish and Italian Catholic folks who have opebo-esque lifestyles (hell, look at Flyers), and I bet there are plenty of German Catholics here who despite supposedly being closer to other whites than the people listed above who are Opus Dei nutcases.

Flyers only wishes he had that lifestyle.  He is also not a real Catholic, as he does not follow Catholicism.

Ethnicity doesn't have to be an objective standard in this context, only subjective.  It is more a description of what people identify with than what their actual heritage is.  The Catholic vote in this case is a reference to people who actually practice Catholicism, not just those who descend from Catholic families.

Like every Republican Catholic follows the verse "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God".

Rudy Giuliani is Catholic and he is about as socially liberal as you & I are
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2005, 01:56:41 am »

Rice? Not so much-- she's worked her way up the foreign policy ladder. Was it a factor? Possibly, but since she's fully qualified, it's hard to complain too much.

Gonzales? I dunno, I think Bush trusts him completely, and that's why he gotten his jobs.

The GOP uses affirmative action all the time, but those two cases are not blatant examples. There are more obvious cases. If the GOP keeps it up, it will be a real "minority" party before too long.

What the GOP tends to do is grab some of the mosst conservative minorities they can find and then act like they represent the vies of the minorities simply because they have a black or hispanic.  You think Gonzalez and Rice (or another minority) would have their positons if they were closer to the mainstream views of their race??  Do you think they would have their positons if they were moderate??  They went the moderate minority route already (though Poweel did deserve the position) but they didn 't get the result they wanted (because Powell dared question the adminstratioon) so as long as they can grab a conservative minority they will do so, so they can claim they reprsent minorities as well & reach-out to them, even though the politics of the minorities they pick don't represent te views of most minorities (or even remotley close in some cases)
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