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« on: March 02, 2005, 05:23:10 pm »

Dear God, NO!


The Governor of South Carolina?


Why don't we just advertise, "White Southerners Only"?


The only candidates I approve of have to meet three of the following crtiria:

1) Must be from north, midwest or pacific west.

2) Must be a woman or minority of some kind (i.e. black, hospanic, Catholic)

3) Must be or have been a governor, mayor, cabinet member or held some leadership possition.

4) Must be right-of-center on most issues
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2005, 09:59:14 pm »

Dear God, NO!


The Governor of South Carolina?


Why don't we just advertise, "White Southerners Only"?


The only candidates I approve of have to meet three of the following crtiria:

1) Must be from north, midwest or pacific west.

2) Must be a woman or minority of some kind (i.e. black, hospanic, Catholic)

3) Must be or have been a governor, mayor, cabinet member or held some leadership possition.

4) Must be right-of-center on most issues

I'll just assume this is a joke.

Since every President has been a white male-- and a very large portion have been from the South-- soulty is either joking or not too bright.

No, it isn't a joke, and why should I give a sh**t about what you think.  I know that they have all been white males.  I'm saying that, unless they break that mold and match two of the other criteria, I won't support them in the primary.  Plain and simple.
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2005, 10:08:00 pm »

SuperSoulty,

The only problem with you reasoning, is that it is difficult to find someone from categories 1 and 2 that meets the criteria of category 4.  The only one I can think of is Santorum.  Is that where you are trying to steer this?

A list of serious canidates who meet three of the above mentioned criteria:

Condi Rice
Kay Baily Huchinson (I give her an exemption from #3)
Mitt Romney
Rick Santorum
John McCain
Rudy Giuliani (ambiguous about #4, but....)
Tim Pawlenty
Tom Ridge
John Sununu (also exempt from #3)
Elizabeth Dole
Norm Coleman

That is not including those candidates who might arise, but are "unforseen" at the moment.

p.s. a late addition

Olympia Snowe
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2005, 10:21:42 pm »

Of those you have mentioned, only Romney and Santorum have realisitic chances, and by realistic, I don't necessarily mean good chances.

You're painting yourself into a corner 3 1/2 years before the election by being so narrow-minded.

The Republican Party is going to paint itself into a corner by not leaving the south and looking at decent candidates who aren't white-breed, good-ole' boys, from Dixie or no-where-Kansas, if we stick with guys like Sanford and the like.  How much power does the governor of SC have anyway?

And no Senators, without good cause, and by good cause, I mean they have to be people who stand out, like Santorum, McCain, Huchinson, Dole, etc.  If Frist gets the nomination, I'll take a good look at who the other side is running.
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2005, 10:23:34 pm »

Anyone who thinks that a guy like Sanford will have national appeal is not being realistic.
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2005, 10:42:28 pm »

2) Must be a woman or minority of some kind (i.e. black, hospanic, Catholic)

Catholics are not a minority.

Ummmm... yes, we are.

Have we suddenly become the majority religion over night?
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2005, 10:54:39 pm »

Yes, we Catholics are a minority, but at 24%, we rank just under white males, who come in at 35%.  Hmmm... That means that Southern white males probably come in at 10-15% of the population.   That sounds suspiciously like a minority to me, doesn't it to you Soulty.


You know what I mean.

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By the way, if Frist get the nomination, I, too, will take a long hard look at the Democrat candidate. 

I'm glad that we agree on this point.  So, other than Allen, Frist or Sanford, who do you propose.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2005, 11:00:34 pm »

2) Must be a woman or minority of some kind (i.e. black, hospanic, Catholic)

Catholics are not a minority.

Ummmm... yes, we are.

Have we suddenly become the majority religion over night?

Catholicism is not a religion. It is a branch of the majority religion though. It is also the largest branch, and thus a plurality and thus not a minority.

Am I a minority? There's a hell of a lot more Catholics in the US than ELCA Lutherans.

1) By your logic, then Blacks are not a minority or a race because they are just a branch of a larger human kind.

2) Protestants make up one group, Catholics the other.  There are far more Protestants in the country then there are Catholics.
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2005, 11:10:21 pm »

2) Must be a woman or minority of some kind (i.e. black, hospanic, Catholic)

Catholics are not a minority.

Ummmm... yes, we are.

Have we suddenly become the majority religion over night?

Catholicism is not a religion. It is a branch of the majority religion though. It is also the largest branch, and thus a plurality and thus not a minority.

Am I a minority? There's a hell of a lot more Catholics in the US than ELCA Lutherans.

1) By your logic, then Blacks are not a minority or a race because they are just a branch of a larger human kind.

2) Protestants make up one group, Catholics the other.  There are far more Protestants in the country then there are Catholics.

1) You said largest religion, not largest religious group. If I said blacks were a minority species that'd be a valid analogy.

2) I think a group that includes me and Jerry Falwell is a little too broad, huh?

Besides, religion is not an inherant trait, one can change it. One can argue that every president is a minority then since a plurality of the population is independent and not a member of either of the two main parties. Thus all Democrats and Republicans are minorities.

Obviously you know absolutly nothing of Catholic or ethinic politics.  I wouldn't expect you too, being from the midwest.  But I come from a highly ethnic area where Protestants are extremely anti-Catholic.  Not in an overt way, but there are clear differences between the groups.
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2005, 11:15:38 pm »

SuperSoulty,

The only problem with you reasoning, is that it is difficult to find someone from categories 1 and 2 that meets the criteria of category 4.  The only one I can think of is Santorum.  Is that where you are trying to steer this?

A list of serious canidates who meet three of the above mentioned criteria:

Condi Rice
Kay Baily Huchinson (I give her an exemption from #3)
Mitt Romney
Rick Santorum
John McCain
Rudy Giuliani (ambiguous about #4, but....)
Tim Pawlenty
Tom Ridge
John Sununu (also exempt from #3)
Elizabeth Dole
Norm Coleman

That is not including those candidates who might arise, but are "unforseen" at the moment.

p.s. a late addition

Olympia Snowe

Most of those are pretty-right wing
Condi Rice - major major liar,
Hutchinson -  nice senate record to attack
Romney - can't win his homestate, lucky if he wins the 2006 governor race
Santorum - bigot, wants to destroy SS
McCain - old, cancer
Giuliani - too conservative for NY, too liberal for a national Republican primary
Pawlenty - does any one know about this guy?
Ridge - busted for politicizing Homeland Security
Sununu - one of many extremists on this list
Dole - her campaign went nowhere in 2000
Coleman - this guy has no principles

Your "analysis" (assuming you are capable of such a thing) is laughable, and really doesn't warrent comment.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2005, 11:17:38 pm »

People seem to be forgeting about the CNN poll that showed that Giuliani beats all the other choices for '08, by far, among Republicans (38% I think).  McCain comes in second (10% behind Rudy) and First comes in at 15%.
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2005, 11:35:47 pm »


Your "analysis" (assuming you are capable of such a thing) is laughable, and really doesn't warrent comment.

Yawn

Fine, I'll lower myself to your level and answer you.

John McCain:  Though the cancer is a draw back, it is quite treatable and shows no signs of taking his life anytime soon.

Condi Rice: Obviously your analysis is highly subjective and is not shared by a large number of people.

Mitt Romney: From everything I have seen, he looks pretty secure for '06.  Also, thanks to something called "TV", media crosses state lines, and so People in media markets that serve or come out of Massechusetts are also familiar with Romney.  Even if he can't take Massechusetts, he can pull in NH and Maine and perhaps CT.  He would probably play well in states like PA and Michigan too.

Tom Ridge: Once again, your opinion is not shared by most people.  You have to learn how to think like normal people, even if you don't think the same things they do.  Only the Left 30% of the country thinks that he politicized homeland security, and they aren't going to win anyone an election.

Tim Pawlenty: Did anyone know who Bill Clinton was, or for that matter, Dukakis or Carter or Kennedy or Truman or Woodrow Wilson, before the start of their respective campaign seasons?

Elizabeth Dole:  She had no fund raising base or base of support  in 2000.  Now she does.

Rudy Giuliani:  Refere to the poll I mentioned.

John Sununu:  I don't even know where you got this idea.  He was chosen by Santorum to run against Smith precisly because he was a moderate and Smith was the "extremeist".

Rick Santorum:  Comments over-blown and taken out of context and the average person won't remember them by '08 anyway.  Any effort to remind the public will be wasted money by the Democrats.

Norm Coleman:  Why? Because he left the Democrats?  They didn't support him anyway.  He clearly has more principles than the Democrats who are trying to rip the sh**t out of his UN Oil for Food corruption investigation.

Kay Baily Huchinson:  This is another "says you".
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2005, 12:07:14 am »

2) Must be a woman or minority of some kind (i.e. black, hospanic, Catholic)

Catholics are not a minority.

Ummmm... yes, we are.

Have we suddenly become the majority religion over night?

Catholicism is not a religion. It is a branch of the majority religion though. It is also the largest branch, and thus a plurality and thus not a minority.

Am I a minority? There's a hell of a lot more Catholics in the US than ELCA Lutherans.

1) By your logic, then Blacks are not a minority or a race because they are just a branch of a larger human kind.

2) Protestants make up one group, Catholics the other.  There are far more Protestants in the country then there are Catholics.

1) You said largest religion, not largest religious group. If I said blacks were a minority species that'd be a valid analogy.

2) I think a group that includes me and Jerry Falwell is a little too broad, huh?

Besides, religion is not an inherant trait, one can change it. One can argue that every president is a minority then since a plurality of the population is independent and not a member of either of the two main parties. Thus all Democrats and Republicans are minorities.

Obviously you know absolutly nothing of Catholic or ethinic politics.  I wouldn't expect you too, being from the midwest.  But I come from a highly ethnic area where Protestants are extremely anti-Catholic.  Not in an overt way, but there are clear differences between the groups.

um, Minnesota is plurality Catholic. You really think they don't exist up here? And I have NEVER seen any Catholic/Protestant religious turmoil.

You can give all the sob stories you want, but comparing John Kerry's strength in areas to the Catholic populations so virtually no correlations. Hell, you probably think I'm an "anti-Catholic bigot" (even though no such thing can exist) and I voted for one in November. Oppressed minority? Plus you think the few cases of discrimination that might occur don't happen to Protestants in largely Catholic areas?

The point also still stands that religion is not inherant and can be changed. Going by your logic, I could argue all Republicans and Democrats are minorities.

Ummm... according to my research Minnesota is less than a quarter Catholic.  I don't know this for sure, but something tells me that, seeing as this is the midwest, most of those Catholics are German Catholics, and thus, no tmuch different from their neighbors.

Quite a different story when you have an area liek mine where a vast majority of Catholics are Italian, Irish or Polish and they are out numbered by English, German and Scottish Protestants.

Kerry didn't poll high in high Catholic areas because ethnic Catholics didn't identify with him.  Plain and simple.

Why can't an anti-Catholic bigot exist?

And, no, I have never seen much Catholic on Protestant bigotry, cause we don't really care much.  Catholics recongnize the fact that we are all Christians.  Most Protestants don't even consider Catholics to be Christians, rather, we are some wierd cult that worships the Pope and Mary.
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2005, 12:32:45 am »

Frist, the robotic and dull, cat-killing HMO operator, is not going to win the nomination.

I mean, I can't believe someone actually calls themselves a Republican after playing the victim card FOR BEING CATHOLIC! That is unbelievable. Truly remarkable victimology.

And, on top of that, he won't vote for his own party unless they nominate a yankee. Incredible. Especially since his state keeps voting for Democrats... I guess they deserve the reward. Makes sense to me, nominate someone from states that vote against your party.

I mean, what's next? Soulty won't vote Republican unless he personally gets the nomination? I mean, everyone else is a "good 'ol boy" even if their young, professional, and honest. hmm.

You know, we don't need trash like soulty in the party. Just don't need the drama. I'm not sure when people with no influence and no brain starting thinking they call the shots. I guess the Democrats are the party of the people, so soulty will have to support their white male if the GOP should nominate a white male.

What an asshole. Screw the Northeast- that's the only reason our government is full of socialists to begin with. And their thinking has apparently gotten to dumby soulty- who cries out for affirmative action to appease his childish whims.

Thank you for misinterpriting what I said.  I said "I won't support anyone in the primary who doesn't match that discription.  Not the general election.

And, once again, anti-Catholic bigotry does exist.  It is very real.  You know why you don't notice it?  Because you aren't Catholic.  If you were, you would notice.  I don't know if I can be polite about this anymore.

Now, dumby AuH2O apparently wants to nominate another Goldwater who will lose to the Democrats in a landslide and take the Senate with him.  Yeah, that's not going bring on more socialism or anything.

Clearly, you seem to have missed the fact that we live in a country.  This country is called America.  In America, we have 50 states.  There are states that are not South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi.  Some of these states voted for Bush.  Some of them didn't, but came very close, like New Hampshire, PA, Michigan, Oregon, Wisconsin and Minnesota.  Some of these states might go GOP in '08 if we pick the right candidate.  I'm pretty sure that that candidate is not Mark Sanford, Governor of Nothing and Protector of the Same.  I'm pretty sure that a good candidate from a very Liberal state like MA, like, say, Mitt Romney, might have enough appeal to turn a lot of states over to us.  I'm also pretty sure that "punishing" certain states for not voting for you is a stupid strategy that will only increase the partisan divide in this country.
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2005, 12:34:04 am »

The far left at some of my Democratic boards are bitching they will vote green if any of the follow receive the nomination... Bredesen, Warner, Bayh, Richardson.  They must really hate winning.

I'm starting to think that certain elements of my party want to acctually make a race of it, when we need not.
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Now, dumby AuH2O apparently wants to nominate another Goldwater who will lose to the Democrats in a landslide and take the Senate with him.  Yeah, that's not going bring on more socialism or anything.



Sanford is far from being a Goldwater. He'd do better in the North than most other Republicans.

Are you telling me that you honestly believe Sanford can be elected in Pennsylvania and Michigan?  I only know of him because I know politics.  In 2008, he will be 6 year governor of South Carolina.  Why not run Senator Thune, if we are looking to gain nothing by the virtue of our candidate?

In the meantime, bringing forward the governor of South Carolina will be a huge sign to the rest of the country that, inspite of having tons of great candidates from all over the country, we went with this guy, because he plays well with Evangelical Southerners.

What kind of message does that send?

It tells me that we are not a National Party.
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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2005, 12:42:58 am »

Soulty,

Whats wrong with winning elections the way ya'll are winning them right now?  Sh**t, Id do anything to be in the position the GOP is in right now when it comes to elections and political power.

What's wrong?  A 2% shift in the polls means that we lose.  That's whats wrong.  That isn't a mandate.  That isn't even a lead.

We could lose if we appear to be going further right and further south.

Ohio is not safe.  Florida is not safe.  Iowa is not safe.  New Mexico is not safe.  Nevada is not safe.

By reaching out, however, we can become a true majority party.  It would not take much for us to win comfortably in PA, MN, WI and OR, but for some reason, the retroverts don't want to do it.  They are getting way to comfortable with where we are.

If we don't do it right, 1996 is right around the corner.
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Now, dumby AuH2O apparently wants to nominate another Goldwater who will lose to the Democrats in a landslide and take the Senate with him.  Yeah, that's not going bring on more socialism or anything.



Sanford is far from being a Goldwater. He'd do better in the North than most other Republicans.

Are you telling me that you honestly believe Sanford can be elected in Pennsylvania and Michigan?  I only know of him because I know politics.  In 2008, he will be 6 year governor of South Carolina.  Why not run Senator Thune, if we are looking to gain nothing by the virtue of our candidate?

In the meantime, bringing forward the governor of South Carolina will be a huge sign to the rest of the country that, inspite of having tons of great candidates from all over the country, we went with this guy, because he plays well with Evangelical Southerners.

What kind of message does that send?

It tells me that we are not a National Party.

No, he couldn't win Michigan or Pennsylvania. However, he could win New Hampshire, Wisconsin, and possibly even Oregon.

He doesn't play particularly well with evangelicals- he's pretty secular. And I hate to tell you this, but the GOP isn't a truly national party anymore. Neither are the Democrats.

So, simply saying "niether are the Democrats" is an good enough excuse for not doing it?
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So, simply saying "niether are the Democrats" is an good enough excuse for not doing it?

I'm saying that the GOP doesn't particularly need to carry states in the Northeast, which is true.

So "we don't have too" is a good enough excuse then?
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2005, 12:59:42 am »

Ummm... according to my research Minnesota is less than a quarter Catholic.

less than a quarter is still a plurality. There's over 1.2 million Catholics in Minnesota. The second highest group is my denomination, ELCA, which has 850k.

I don't know this for sure, but something tells me that, seeing as this is the midwest, most of those Catholics are German Catholics, and thus, no tmuch different from their neighbors.

yes they are mostly German, and I guess they are not much different from their neighbors since they're white. But among whites, how are Germans and Scandinavians basically the same?  This is from someone who is 3/4 Scandinavian and 1/4 German.

Quite a different story when you have an area liek mine where a vast majority of Catholics are Italian, Irish or Polish and they are out numbered by English, German and Scottish Protestants.

Have you ever been to St. Paul?

And even if people are still fighting among ethnicities when in fact almost everyone considers all of the above group as simply "white", do you really think the same stuff doesn't happen to English, German and Scottish Protestants in heavily Italian, Irish or Polish Catholic areas? And why do they get along worse than Scandinavian Protestants and German Catholics?

Kerry didn't poll high in high Catholic areas because ethnic Catholics didn't identify with him.  Plain and simple.

Or because hardly anyone cares about this when they vote anymore.

Why can't an anti-Catholic bigot exist?

Can an anti-Democrat or anti-Republican one exist?

And, no, I have never seen much Catholic on Protestant bigotry, cause we don't really care much.  Catholics recongnize the fact that we are all Christians.

Read the beliefnet forums sometime.

Most Protestants don't even consider Catholics to be Christians, rather, we are some wierd cult that worships the Pope and Mary.

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard you say. Most? You're the one who earlier talked about Catholicism as a seperate religion, and I corrected you on it. I have never said said Catholics are not Christian. I actually called jmfcst on this, even though it was really just a cheap shot, and even he denied he ever said so. I have never met anyone in real life who has claimed this, and know of no one outside of a few loons who think Jack Chick is right. If you think that represents the vast majority of Protestants, you are clearly deluded indeed.

You just don't understand.  I can't give you a better answer than that.

You don't identify with your faith, that's why you see it as a political party.  Most people don't.  Esspecially when that faith is part of your ethnic identity.  And trust me, if an Italian Catholic ran for President, Italian Catholics would come out in droves to support them and Polish and Irish Catholics would probably support that candidate as well.

You think that Jack Chick is an isolated loon.  Let me tell you that he is not.  Again, something I know from personal expireince that I guess you just can't know.

People don't have to be as far out as him to be anti-Catholic or believe wierd things about Catholics either.  It is rare that I meet a Protestant who knows anything about the Catholic Church, other than the lies they have always been told.

You distorted what I said, anyway.  I never said seperate religion.  I just said that we aren't Protestants.  We are all Christians.  Fact is that Protestants don't see it that way.  Once again, something you would have to expirience to understand.

Just ask Phil.  He isn't lying.  Neither am I.

That is not to say that Protestants would not vote for a Catholic, although some wouldn't.
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So, simply saying "niether are the Democrats" is an good enough excuse for not doing it?

I'm saying that the GOP doesn't particularly need to carry states in the Northeast, which is true.

So "we don't have too" is a good enough excuse then?

You don't have to carry Vermont to win. Does that really bother you then that you have no chance of doing so?

You people lack vision.

No, we don't have to win Vermont, but it would be nice to stop dividing the country.  It woul dbe nice to acctually get more than 350 EVs.  It would be better if could accutally win 55% of the popular vote.
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In the meantime, bringing forward the governor of South Carolina will be a huge sign to the rest of the country that, inspite of having tons of great candidates from all over the country, we went with this guy, because he plays well with Evangelical Southerners.

What kind of message does that send?

It tells me that we are not a National Party.
So it's okay for a candidate to be from a swing state like Pennsylvania, but if there's a Southern candidate it makes for a non-National Party?

What I am saying is that we need to get out of the south in order to be seen as legit to the country.  We can't be the party of the south.
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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2005, 01:11:55 am »

In the meantime, bringing forward the governor of South Carolina will be a huge sign to the rest of the country that, inspite of having tons of great candidates from all over the country, we went with this guy, because he plays well with Evangelical Southerners.

What kind of message does that send?

It tells me that we are not a National Party.
So it's okay for a candidate to be from a swing state like Pennsylvania, but if there's a Southern candidate it makes for a non-National Party?

What I am saying is that we need to get out of the south in order to be seen as legit to the country.  We can't be the party of the south.
Yeah, screw that little POS region of the country

No, I'm not saying that.  In fact, I don't know what you are worried about.

George W. Bush: White Protestant male from Texas

Bill Clinton: White Protestant male from Texas

Al Gore:  White Protestant male from Tennesse

Bob Dole: White Protestant male from Kansas

George H. W. Bush: White Protestant male from Texas

Jimmy Carter: White Protestant male from Gerogia

Maybe it is time to let some other people in?

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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2005, 01:21:01 am »



Um yeah, Ferraro gave Mondale such a huge boost among Italian Catholics, right? Kerry was an Irish Catholic.

Ferraro was an unknown VP candidate running against a well established incumbent.  You couldn't have thought of a worse example.

Oh, yeah, and John Kerry seemed really ethnic and Catholic to me.

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To people in this country, it's all white. I'd laugh at anyone who'd honestly think I would be more prone to support someone for any campaign just because they were a Scandinavian Lutheran, which is just as "ethnic" as everyone you listed.

No it isn't.  Obviously you have never been to the Polaski or the Litz Club.

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I do believe Jack Chick is an isolated loon on account of the fact that I have never met anyone who likes him period, and this includes times in the past when I have trolled conservative message boards. Not to mention anyone who trulely believes the garbage he writes but be seriously mentally deficient since there's so many holes in it its not even funny, the classic Dungeons and Dragons tract is a prime example. You basically are claiming that the vast majority of Protestants agree with Jack Chick on Catholics, which is just hilarious.

They might not agree with Chick, which I never said, but they still believe a lot of stuff that is laughable (or sad, depending) non-the-less


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You claim that I believe a lot of lies I've been told by my mom, but I have never said Catholics aren't Christian, and neither has she. And she voted for the same Catholic in November as I did. Sheesh, you're making Pennsylvania sound like some third world country full of ethnic strife, when it's just as diverse as Minnesota, which has nothing of the sort you're describing.

Thankfully, I don't need you to believe me to know that I am right.  I never seem to recall accusing you, or even all Protestants of anything either.  But if you deny that there isn't a strong vain of anti-Catholic bias in this country... well it is always easy to not notice these things when they aren't happening to you.


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Why don't you ask Al about how popular Ian Paisley is and whether he gets overwhelming support from most British Protestants too by the way. I have to say I doubt there's much since I have never met a Brit who doesn't consider him a complete lunatic.

I don't remember talking about Britian.
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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2005, 01:24:52 am »

In the meantime, bringing forward the governor of South Carolina will be a huge sign to the rest of the country that, inspite of having tons of great candidates from all over the country, we went with this guy, because he plays well with Evangelical Southerners.

What kind of message does that send?

It tells me that we are not a National Party.
So it's okay for a candidate to be from a swing state like Pennsylvania, but if there's a Southern candidate it makes for a non-National Party?

What I am saying is that we need to get out of the south in order to be seen as legit to the country.  We can't be the party of the south.
Yeah, screw that little POS region of the country

No, I'm not saying that.  In fact, I don't know what you are worried about.

George W. Bush: White Protestant male from Texas

Bill Clinton: White Protestant male from Texas

Al Gore:  White Protestant male from Tennesse

Bob Dole: White Protestant male from Kansas

George H. W. Bush: White Protestant male from Texas

Jimmy Carter: White Protestant male from Gerogia

Maybe it is time to let some other people in?


Ahem.  Clinton was from Arkansas last time I checked.  I don't consider Kansas Southern; that's Midwestern if anything else.  Guess you aren't counting Ferraro, Mondale, McGovern, Quayle, Lieberman, Kerry, Humphrey, etc.....

The Clinton thing was a mistake, obviously.  I also said that I didn't want anyone from the plains states either.  That's why I lumped Dole in.  Which would also take care of McGovern.

Listen, I don't hate the south.  I think that if you had been on here long enough you would know that I have defended the south in some of the greatest battles that this forum has ever seen.  I just don't want a white-bread candidate from a traditional GOP state.
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