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pbrower2a
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« on: September 25, 2013, 05:05:59 PM »

This article seems to be all about the New Mexico photographer example where the court ruled had to photograph a gay wedding (a result with which I disagree because that does go too far in intruding on private religious beliefs). Hopefully SCOTUS in due course will make clear that beyond selling stuff over the counter, who is not obligated to get enmeshed in a gay wedding ceremony vis a vis having to offer one's personal services at the affair itself. Muon2 and I spent some time chatting about this example, when he was faced with a potential vote on SSM in Illinois (before it all went away).

Such would set a precedent for refusing to serve an interfaith or interracial marriage.

So far as I know, Westboro Baptist Church, the infamous gay-baiters who use the Bible as a pretext for opposing homosexuality in any form, has not had its capacity to condemn homosexuality curtailed.
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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2013, 10:41:18 AM »

This article seems to be all about the New Mexico photographer example where the court ruled had to photograph a gay wedding (a result with which I disagree because that does go too far in intruding on private religious beliefs). Hopefully SCOTUS in due course will make clear that beyond selling stuff over the counter, who is not obligated to get enmeshed in a gay wedding ceremony vis a vis having to offer one's personal services at the affair itself. Muon2 and I spent some time chatting about this example, when he was faced with a potential vote on SSM in Illinois (before it all went away).

Such would set a precedent for refusing to serve an interfaith or interracial marriage.

So far as I know, Westboro Baptist Church, the infamous gay-baiters who use the Bible as a pretext for opposing homosexuality in any form, has not had its capacity to condemn homosexuality curtailed.
Indeed.

I have no problem with a church refusing to marry a gay couple for religious reasons.  But as a business owner, you do not have the right to deny someone a service on the basis of their sexuality.

This is no different than refusing to seat blacks at your lunch counter, or muslim cab drivers in Minneapolis refusing to transport customers who have alcohol in their luggage.

The problem is with a wedding photographer, it's much more ambiguous than just being a business owner. The photographer for lack of a better phrase is aiding and abetting a gay marriage. There's a huge difference between forcing someone to serve/sell to someone they find morally repugnant and making them help with the action they find so wrong.

To use your Muslim example, the photography case is more akin to forcing a Muslim farmer to sell grain to a brewery than making him drive someone with a six-pack.

A wedding photographer is no more aiding and abetting a same-sex marriage than is a travel agent who arranges the honeymoon, the rental agent for the tuxedos, the baker of the wedding cake, or the leasing agent for the limousine.

...Maybe if one is a Muslim one might seek to avoid employment with a brewery, a firm that deals weapons to Israel, a merchant who deals in alcohol,  a publisher of pornography, or a dealer in shellfish or pork. Heck, I styled myself as a "pacifist Mormon" so that I could avoid investing an insurance payout in cancerweed, alcohol, or firearms and military contracting.
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2017, 01:23:51 AM »

No moreso than anti-gay laws. My denomination has gay marriage,  and I strongly believe that being against 100% full equality is a sin.

Being against marriage equality is the right thing based on the whole of scripture. These gay rights laws are an undue infringement on religious freedom.

1. The strictures against  homosexuality are opposition to temple prostitution in pagan religions.

2. The bloodthirsty passages in Leviticus are no longer valid. Jews who accept Kashrut laws in food preparation and consumption often tolerate homosexuality.

3. Jesus demands that we love our neighbor. That includes gays and lesbians.

4. As an adult you have no obligation to participate in a same-sex marriage or visit a house in which the adults are in a same-sex marriage, or to allow a same-sex couple to visit your household.

5. Same-sex rights create a safer world for us all against violent homophobia to which we are all at risk. They do not give anyone the right to mess with children.   
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