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« Reply #150 on: December 13, 2013, 12:51:22 pm »

Also, the "Spiegel" reports that Sigmar Gabriel will become a Super-Minister for Economy and Energy.

Frank-Walter Steinmeier -> Foreign Minister

Heiko Maas -> Justice Minister

Andrea Nahles -> Labour & Social Minister

Manuela Schwesig -> Family Minister

Barbara Hendricks -> Environment Minister
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« Reply #151 on: December 13, 2013, 12:56:13 pm »

Apparently, about 10% of the SPD postal ballots are invalid because mandatory signatures of those who voted are missing on the envelopes:

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article122851861/Tausende-ungueltige-Stimmen-bei-SPD-Mitgliedervotum.html

That is kinda weird, because usually the invalid-vote even among absentee ballots is more like 1-3%.
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« Reply #152 on: December 13, 2013, 01:29:44 pm »

That kind of thing is very common in mass postal balloting (i.e. for party, union, or any constitutional society elections or for strike ballots and so on). Don't read too much into it.
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« Reply #153 on: December 14, 2013, 09:01:59 am »

Breaking: 75.9% have voted in favor.

Merkel will be elected on Tuesday as Chancellor of a grand coalition.
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« Reply #154 on: December 14, 2013, 09:17:49 am »

Let's hope the government lives up to expectations.
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« Reply #155 on: December 14, 2013, 09:22:15 am »

Boo! I wanted endless elections.
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« Reply #156 on: December 14, 2013, 09:58:06 am »

Probably a tactical mistake by the SPD, but hey, they'll surely do better than the FPD.
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« Reply #157 on: December 14, 2013, 10:03:58 am »

What!? von der Leyen to defense? Roflmao.
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« Reply #158 on: December 14, 2013, 03:44:52 pm »
« Edited: December 14, 2013, 03:48:49 pm by And Nicolas Cage as "Fu Manchu"! »

What!? von der Leyen to defense? Roflmao.

Merkel probably tries to set von der Leyen up as her hand-picked successor. After one term as family minister, one term as labour minister and one term as defence minister she will certainly have gotten around.

And it seems we're gonna be stuck with Schäuble forever.
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« Reply #159 on: December 14, 2013, 03:47:46 pm »
« Edited: December 14, 2013, 04:27:51 pm by Franknburger »

There are actually quite a number of surprises in the ministerial portfolios. Here the break-up by parties:

Chancellor - Angela Merkel
Chief of Staff -  Peter Altmaier (ex Minister of Environment)
State Minister for Migration & Integration - Aydan Özoguz

Foreign Affairs - Frank-Walter Steinmeier
Defense - Ursula von der Leyen (ex Min. of Labour)
Economic Cooperation - Hans-Peter Friedrich?

Finance - Wolfgang Schäuble
Economy (+Energy / - Communication) - Sigmar Gabriel
Trensport (+Communication / - Construction) - Alexander Dobrindt
Environment (+Construction/ - Energy) - Barbara Hendricks

Agriculture (-Consumer Protection) - ??

Interior - Lothar de Maiziere (ex Min. of Defense)
Justice (+Consumer Protection) - Heiko Maas

Labour - Andrea Nahles
Family - Manueala Schwesig

Health - Hermann Gröhe (ex CDU Secretary General)
Education & Research - Johanna Wanka?

Former Chief of Staff Ronald Pofalla will leave the Cabinet for undisclosed personal reasons. Former Minister of Transport Peter Ramsauer (CSU) is rumoured to leave as well, otherwise he may take over one of the yet unassigned CSU posts.

Overall quite a success for the SPD:
- 6 out of 15 Ministers
- Represented in the Chancellery through State Minister for Migration & Integration
- Extended their portfolio at the expense of the CSU (especially transfer of consumer protection from Agriculture to Justice)

CDU also gets 6 ministers, plus the chancellor. Big loser is the CSU - down from 4 to 3 ministries, losing the prestigious Ministry of Interior, and responsibility for consumer protection. Their only consolation is to have gained responsibility for communication, so they may take up again the traditional practice of channelling contracts to Siemens, Bavaria's largest employer (argh!).

von der Leyen as Minister of Defence looks like she is being built up as Merkels' successor to take over in 2016. By that time, Wolfgang Schäuble will turn 74, and probably also leave the Cabinet. The SPD is bringing her next generation (Schwesig, Maas, Özoguz) in position, not so the CDU. The CSU is still a wildcard - let's see whether they manage to put at least one woman up for their three minister posts.
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« Reply #160 on: December 14, 2013, 03:51:16 pm »

Big loser is the CSU - down from 4 to 3 ministries, losing the prestigious Ministry of Interior, and responsibility for consumer protection.

CSU had three ministries before the election too.
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« Reply #161 on: December 16, 2013, 08:10:58 pm »

I have to say, Ursula von der Leyen really fascinates me. A German Lutheran Ph.D involved in politics with 7 kids… that must be the German equivalent of Sasquatch, right?
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« Reply #162 on: December 17, 2013, 02:14:29 am »

I have to say, Ursula von der Leyen really fascinates me. A German Lutheran Ph.D involved in politics with 7 kids… that must be the German equivalent of Sasquatch, right?
Don't forget her family background. Instead of Sasquatch, you better put her in a line with Benazhir Bhutto, Megawati Sukarnoputri, or Indira Ghandi. Or, if that seems culturally more adequate, compare her to Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, and check out CSU politician Monika Hohlmeier.

Without questioning Ursula von der Leyen's political and intellectual class, I have some doubt whether she would have made it that far without her father's reputation and networks.
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« Reply #163 on: December 17, 2013, 04:40:49 am »

462-150

Angela Merkel has been elected Chancellor, with 42 fewer votes than seats belonging to CDU/CSU and SPD.
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« Reply #164 on: December 17, 2013, 08:06:24 am »

The Chancellor and all ministers have been sworn in.

All of them, both CDU/CSU and SPD, added "so wahr mir Gott helfe" to their oath of office.
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« Reply #165 on: December 17, 2013, 08:09:22 am »

All of them, both CDU/CSU and SPD, added "so wahr mir Gott helfe" to their oath of office.

Ugh...
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« Reply #166 on: December 17, 2013, 02:58:14 pm »
« Edited: December 17, 2013, 02:59:57 pm by hifly15 »

All of them, both CDU/CSU and SPD, added "so wahr mir Gott helfe" to their oath of office.

Ugh...

I'm glad to say that you don't have German citizenship so this really shouldn't be an issue for you.
I also didn't know that your respect for freedom of religion was at such negligible levels.
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« Reply #167 on: December 17, 2013, 04:30:17 pm »

All of them, both CDU/CSU and SPD, added "so wahr mir Gott helfe" to their oath of office.

Ugh...

I'm glad to say that you don't have German citizenship so this really shouldn't be an issue for you.
I also didn't know that your respect for freedom of religion was at such negligible levels.

Troll.
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« Reply #168 on: December 17, 2013, 04:55:58 pm »

Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from criticism.
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« Reply #169 on: December 17, 2013, 06:18:33 pm »

All of them, both CDU/CSU and SPD, added "so wahr mir Gott helfe" to their oath of office.

Ugh...

I'm glad to say that you don't have German citizenship so this really shouldn't be an issue for you.
I also didn't know that your respect for freedom of religion was at such negligible levels.

I'm rather ashamed that you have German citizenship.
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« Reply #170 on: December 17, 2013, 07:31:47 pm »

Maybe it tells us something about the self-confidence of the SPD ministers, that they rely on god to help them. *g* (ok, for an American conservative this would a quite common thought, but for a German center-left party?)
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« Reply #171 on: December 17, 2013, 07:45:22 pm »

It's hard to think of a less relevant issue.
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« Reply #172 on: December 18, 2013, 07:30:11 am »

It's hard to think of a less relevant issue.

Symbols matter. Sure, they don't matter as much as facts, but they're important in that they both illustrate and reinforce mainstream social attitudes toward something (cultural hegemony, etc.).
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« Reply #173 on: December 18, 2013, 11:54:14 am »

Presumably you'd also rather they turned up for the oaths in donkey jackets?
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« Reply #174 on: December 18, 2013, 01:03:40 pm »

Presumably you'd also rather they turned up for the oaths in donkey jackets?

That would certainly be beautiful to see, yes, but let's stay realistic. Tongue
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