German Elections & Politics

[DavidB.]

Very interesting that all these elected MPs suddenly decide, one day after the election, that they cannot support the ideas propagated by their party leaders.

[President Johnson]

Interesting: 1,400 men and women joined the SPD within the last 24 hours. Great news for the future!

https://twitter.com/MartinSchulz/status/912313858429276160

[Kingpoleon]

What's going to happen for the Cabinet? Will Lindner get the foreign department and the Greens get the finance minister?

[Oryxslayer]

What's going to happen for the Cabinet? Will Lindner get the foreign department and the Greens get the finance minister?

More likely the other way around.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

What's going to happen for the Cabinet? Will Lindner get the foreign department and the Greens get the finance minister?

Lindner will probably stay in the Bundestag, like Kubicki does in Schleswig-Holstein.
I guess that - since Joachim Herrmann (CSU) is entitled to the interior ministry - Alexander Sebastian Léonce Freiherr von der Wenge Graf Lambsdorff MdE (FDP) will become foreign minister and someone from the greens (maybe Renate Künast?) will occupy the justice ministry.

[Hydera]

What's going to happen for the Cabinet? Will Lindner get the foreign department and the Greens get the finance minister?

More likely the other way around.

Greens getting the finance would be like clowns running the asylum.

[Middle-aged Europe]

What's going to happen for the Cabinet? Will Lindner get the foreign department and the Greens get the finance minister?

Try to ask that question again in, maybe, two months from now. Perhaps three.

So far, it's unclear whether there even will be a Jamaica cabinet. If it comes to that, it's a process that's gonna take weeks or even months. First, there are gonna be rounds and rounds of negotiations which will determine if all four governing parties can find common ground... with both the Greens and the CSU at the table, that's not gonna be easy. If all parties can - in theory - agree on a coalition, both FDP and Greens will also let all their members have a vote on it. That too is something that needs time to be organized and executed.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

What's going to happen for the Cabinet? Will Lindner get the foreign department and the Greens get the finance minister?

More likely the other way around.

Greens getting the finance would be like clowns running the asylum.

Schleswig-Holstein used to have a kindergarten teacher from the Greens as its finance minister, and guess which is the only Land whose government debt rose in the last four years...

[Kingpoleon]

What's going to happen for the Cabinet? Will Lindner get the foreign department and the Greens get the finance minister?

Try to ask that question again in, maybe, two months from now. Perhaps three.

So far, it's unclear whether there even will be a Jamaica cabinet. If it comes to that, it's a process that's gonna take weeks or even months. First, there are gonna be rounds and rounds of negotiations which will determine if all four governing parties can find common ground... with both the Greens and the CSU at the table, that's not gonna be easy. If all parties can - in theory - agree on a coalition, both FDP and Greens will also let all their members have a vote on it. That too is something that needs time to be organized and executed.

What do you think a coalition agreement will be like? What would an agreement between the FDP and Greens on economics look like?

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

What's going to happen for the Cabinet? Will Lindner get the foreign department and the Greens get the finance minister?

Try to ask that question again in, maybe, two months from now. Perhaps three.

So far, it's unclear whether there even will be a Jamaica cabinet. If it comes to that, it's a process that's gonna take weeks or even months. First, there are gonna be rounds and rounds of negotiations which will determine if all four governing parties can find common ground... with both the Greens and the CSU at the table, that's not gonna be easy. If all parties can - in theory - agree on a coalition, both FDP and Greens will also let all their members have a vote on it. That too is something that needs time to be organized and executed.

What do you think a coalition agreement will be like? What would an agreement between the FDP and Greens on economics look like?

"We abolish all social benefits and all kind of employment protection and in return we allow all people to smoke weed."

[palandio]

What's going to happen for the Cabinet? Will Lindner get the foreign department and the Greens get the finance minister?

I read that the FDP recruited Werner Hoyer for finance minister. Lindner would rather sacrifice the foreign department than not having an FDP finance minister.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Hoyer

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

What's going to happen for the Cabinet? Will Lindner get the foreign department and the Greens get the finance minister?

I read that the FDP recruited Werner Hoyer for finance minister. Lindner would rather sacrifice the foreign department than not having an FDP finance minister.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Hoyer

Exactly. It is said that it was Westerwelle's biggest mistake that led to his party's death to occupy the foreign ministry instead of the finance or economy ministry.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

the FDP aren't going to be tricked into taking the effectively useless position of Foreign Office this time (I assume Ozdemir will get it): they'll probably try and grab a position like Finance (kicking Schauble aside) so they won't be cucked on their tax plans like last time ("tax cuts for everybody _{if you own a hotel}"). Maybe they'll try and get Health as well, and maybe try their luck on something to do with Asylum (you can certainly bet the Greens won't be allowed near asylum). The Greens, I presume, will go laser focused on environmental causes - the coal phase out, the diesel and petrol ban, the protection of renewable subsidies, maybe some agricultural stuff if the CDU allows it.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

the FDP aren't going to be tricked into taking the effectively useless position of Foreign Office this time (I assume Ozdemir will get it): they'll probably try and grab a position like Finance (kicking Schauble aside) so they won't be cucked on their tax plans like last time ("tax cuts for everybody _{if you own a hotel}"). Maybe they'll try and get Health as well, and maybe try their luck on something to do with Asylum (you can certainly bet the Greens won't be allowed near asylum). The Greens, I presume, will go laser focused on environmental causes - the coal phase out, the diesel and petrol ban, the protection of renewable subsidies, maybe some agricultural stuff if the CDU allows it.

Schäuble is reported to become the new President of the Bundestag, thus a Free Democrat is likely to take his post as finance minister.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Frauke Petry has officially left the AfD.

She is joined by her husband Marcus Pretzell, the leader of the AfD in Northrhine-Westphalia, and two members of the Saxon state parliament, Uwe Wurlitzer and Kirsten Muster.

[Yeahsayyeah]

Rumours go, that Petry has purchased the domain "dieblauen.de" several months ago. Which would be quite hillarious as "blau" does not only mean the colour but is also a colloquial term for beeing severely drunk.

As far as the coalition building is concerned Merkel has invited both FDP and Greens and the SPD.
CSU demanded talks to the CDU before any other talks and they still insist on their "refugee cap" to be part of any coalition agreement (that would actually let any coalition talks fail, obviously).

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

The FDP wants its seats in the middle of the new Bundestag. As of yet, they always used to occupy the space on the very right.

And now it's official: Schäuble will not only become the president of the Bundestag by seniority, he is going to become the regular President of the parliament.

[Middle-aged Europe]

The Greens have decided to indefinitely postpone their next party congress, which was initially scheduled for October 21.

Reason given: The next party congress is supposed to vote on the start of formal coalition negotiations with CDU/CSU and FDP. These negotiations usually start after finishing the phase of exploratory talks. The CDU has apparently signaled that they don't plan to start with these exploratory talks before the Lower Saxony state election on October 15 is held. Also, CDU and CSU have to work things out between themselves first.


Which gives us roughly this tentative timetable:

The week of October 16 - Start of of exploratory talks between CDU/CSU, FDP, and Greens.

Sometime around the beginning of November, at the earliest - Start of formal coalitions negotiations (provided that the exploratory talks are successful).

[Yeahsayyeah]

Cowardish merkelism as usual. Like the re-installation of Kauder as parliamentary group leader.

[Hydera]

http://www.rp-online.de/politik/deutschland/bundestagswahl/nach-bundestagswahl-2017-fluechtlings-obergrenze-ist-fuer-die-gruenen-absolutes-no-go-aid-1.7108498


Greens: No to migrant cap

This isnt your 2000's green party.

[Former President tack50]

The FDP wants its seats in the middle of the new Bundestag. As of yet, they always used to occupy the space on the very right.

And now it's official: Schäuble will not only become the president of the Bundestag by seniority, he is going to become the regular President of the parliament.

I thought seats were always divided in one of these 2 ways?:

Leader of the opposition on one side (so with Jamaica, SPD; after 2013 Linke), Government in the other, everyone else in the middle, ordered most conservative to most left wing

Simply most conservative to most left wing no matter if they are in government or opposition

[Middle-aged Europe]

The FDP wants its seats in the middle of the new Bundestag. As of yet, they always used to occupy the space on the very right.

And now it's official: Schäuble will not only become the president of the Bundestag by seniority, he is going to become the regular President of the parliament.

I thought seats were always divided in one of these 2 ways?:

Leader of the opposition on one side (so with Jamaica, SPD; after 2013 Linke), Government in the other, everyone else in the middle, ordered most conservative to most left wing

Simply most conservative to most left wing no matter if they are in government or opposition

I think the seating arrangement in the Bundestag has been the same for ages, regardless of who's in government and who's in opposition:

Left - SPD - Greens - CDU/CSU - FDP

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

The FDP wants its seats in the middle of the new Bundestag. As of yet, they always used to occupy the space on the very right.

And now it's official: Schäuble will not only become the president of the Bundestag by seniority, he is going to become the regular President of the parliament.

I thought seats were always divided in one of these 2 ways?:

Leader of the opposition on one side (so with Jamaica, SPD; after 2013 Linke), Government in the other, everyone else in the middle, ordered most conservative to most left wing

Simply most conservative to most left wing no matter if they are in government or opposition

No, the order has always been: Linke - SPD - Grüne- CDU/CSU - FDP.

[Middle-aged Europe]

http://www.rp-online.de/politik/deutschland/bundestagswahl/nach-bundestagswahl-2017-fluechtlings-obergrenze-ist-fuer-die-gruenen-absolutes-no-go-aid-1.7108498


Greens: No to migrant cap

This isnt your 2000's green party.

I don't even know what this is supposed to mean.

The CSU's cap on refugees (migrant cap is a bit of a misnomer) is and always has been opposed by Greens, FDP, and CDU. So, it stands 3:1 against on the issue although the Greens are certainly the least likely of the three to give in and make concessions here.

What this is has to do with the 2000s I don't know. The proposed cap on refugees didn't exist back then as a political issue since this was long before the refugee crisis. Had it existed, it's safe to assume that the Greens' position (and the FDP's and the CDU's) would have been just the same.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Cowardish merkelism as usual. Like the re-installation of Kauder as parliamentary group leader.

This article speculates that a Jamaica government won't actually come into existence before January 2018, due to the CDU's decision to push the beginning of exploratory talks to the second half of October:

http://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.spaetstart-der-sondierungsgespraeche-die-lange-reise-nach-jamaika.bd9afd94-c458-4202-b91a-d40f1e34dd17.html