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« Reply #3375 on: February 09, 2018, 07:49:35 AM »

Doesn't seem as if the CDU have made many policy concessions at all. They just gave the SPD some good positions.

How is Scholz? Will he be like Dijsselbloem?

Do you mean if he's gonna act mercilessly towards Southern Europe?
At least he is considered fiscally quite conservative for a SPD member; he is one of the most prominent members of the neoliberal Seeheimer Kreis. Plus, he was the last Social Democrat to win a majority of MPs for his party in a statewide election.

Can't find anywhere information about his membership in Seeheimer Kreis, where did you find that info?
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« Reply #3376 on: February 09, 2018, 08:16:18 AM »

BILD are reporting that SPD leaders are essentially telling Schulz to get lost and not accept the post of foreign minister.

Schulz is reported to deny himself the foreign ministry.
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« Reply #3377 on: February 09, 2018, 08:34:14 AM »

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« Reply #3378 on: February 09, 2018, 08:50:30 AM »

So who will take over? Can Gabriel really return to this office after the rest of the party essentially sacrificed him? What about "Sad Clown" Nahles?

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« Reply #3379 on: February 09, 2018, 09:08:56 AM »

So who will be the Foreign Minister now? Gabriel again? Or perhaps ... JENS SPAHN

(I know that won't happen. One can dream tho)
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« Reply #3380 on: February 09, 2018, 10:44:42 AM »

So who will be the Foreign Minister now? Gabriel again? Or perhaps ... JENS SPAHN

(I know that won't happen. One can dream tho)

The SPD in Lower Saxony is pushing hard for Gabriel.
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« Reply #3381 on: February 09, 2018, 11:07:41 AM »


Would he accept it after what happened the last couple of days? And what happens with Schulz now?
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« Reply #3382 on: February 09, 2018, 11:23:40 AM »

So who will be the Foreign Minister now? Gabriel again? Or perhaps ... JENS SPAHN

(I know that won't happen. One can dream tho)

The SPD in Lower Saxony is pushing hard for Gabriel.
Gabriel was actually a decent FM
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« Reply #3383 on: February 09, 2018, 12:22:39 PM »
« Edited: February 09, 2018, 05:22:00 PM by Great Again: The War on Law Enforcement »

Class A clusterf**k
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« Reply #3384 on: February 09, 2018, 04:04:05 PM »

The tragic story of the Martin Schulz-SPD:

Feb. 2017: SPD 34%, CDU/CSU 32%

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« Reply #3385 on: February 10, 2018, 05:11:31 AM »

Can someone explain how a government party is going to lose votes for going back into the same government? Were there anti-CDU/CSU/SPD government people voting SPD this time who won't vote SPD again? You see how this is unintuitive.
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« Reply #3386 on: February 10, 2018, 06:16:52 AM »

Part of it has to do with the fact that Schulz categorically ruled out joining another Grand Coalition after the disastrous results only to then do a 180. It's interesting to see that the only SPD gains this year occurred during the period when the SPD was set to be an opposition party in the Bundestag. IMO the SPD's strategy of placing refugee family reunification at the center of their coalition negotiation strategy did not exactly help enamor them to the working class either.

SPD-results in 2017:

Saarland: 29.6 (-1)
Schleswig-Holstein: 27.3 (-3.1)
Northrhine-Westfalia: 31.2 (-7.9)
Germany: 20.5 (-5.2)
Lower Saxony: 36.9 (+4.3)
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« Reply #3387 on: February 10, 2018, 07:10:02 AM »

So who will be the Foreign Minister now? Gabriel again? Or perhaps ... JENS SPAHN

(I know that won't happen. One can dream tho)

The SPD in Lower Saxony is pushing hard for Gabriel.
Gabriel was actually a decent FM

Gabriel is the best man of the SPD for the entire cabinet. However, I will still vote against the grad coalition at the party referendum. Sadly, I know some folks who changed their mind in favor. However, most SPD members in my county are still against a coalition.
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« Reply #3388 on: February 10, 2018, 09:34:25 AM »

So who will take over? Can Gabriel really return to this office after the rest of the party essentially sacrificed him? What about "Sad Clown" Nahles?



Wow! I didn't know that I could predict the future... Shocked

SPD chairwoman-elect Andrea NahlesPennywise
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« Reply #3389 on: February 10, 2018, 12:40:56 PM »

Whether or not Jens Weidmann remains in poll position to succeed Mario Draghi is the most important outcome of a Scholz-led finance ministry.
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« Reply #3390 on: February 10, 2018, 04:37:20 PM »

Can someone explain how a government party is going to lose votes for going back into the same government? Were there anti-CDU/CSU/SPD government people voting SPD this time who won't vote SPD again? You see how this is unintuitive.

The Grand Coalition was supposed to be temporary and the SPD ran in 2017 win the intention of leading a majority coalition or leading the opposition to the CDU led coalition if they came in second. Now, they're breaking their promise and rejoining what was already an unpopular government. Voters feel betrayed, and rightly so.
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« Reply #3391 on: February 11, 2018, 03:54:14 PM »

The SPD party base wants a member survey on who should be Schulz's successor as party leader.
Meanwhile, Martin's sister Doris Harst complained about the intra-party behavior towards him; she said he'd been lied to, he'd been deceived, he'd been scapegoated, and called the party leadership a "genuine snake pit".

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« Reply #3392 on: February 12, 2018, 11:21:43 AM »

Oh my...

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« Reply #3393 on: February 12, 2018, 11:44:03 AM »

INSA is trolling again... take it with a huge grain of salt.
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« Reply #3394 on: February 12, 2018, 11:59:19 AM »

INSA is trolling again... take it with a huge grain of salt.

It's almost certain that the SPD and AfD are about tied right now, after the SPD went into full self-destruct mode ...

Besides, INSA wasn't bad before the 2017 election. Even slightly better than FGW or dimap.
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« Reply #3395 on: February 12, 2018, 12:40:15 PM »
« Edited: February 12, 2018, 12:42:46 PM by Great Again: American Horror Story »

Besides, INSA wasn't bad before the 2017 election. Even slightly better than FGW or dimap.

That's because INSA started to re-align their own polling numbers with those of the other polling institutes a few of weeks prior to the election...

We're far from a election right now which means they're in standard troll mode at the moment.
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« Reply #3396 on: February 12, 2018, 12:46:20 PM »

We're far from a election right now which means they're in standard troll mode at the moment.
Cognitive dissonance at work.
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« Reply #3397 on: February 12, 2018, 12:48:29 PM »

We're far from a election right now which means they're in standard troll mode at the moment.
Cognitive dissonance at work.

There's no argument rebutting my point in your post though.
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« Reply #3398 on: February 12, 2018, 01:33:56 PM »

It's almost certain that the SPD and AfD are about tied right now, after the SPD went into full self-destruct mode ...

Almost certain? If that's the case then why does no one else show such a picture? You're little your own biases and preferences are clouding your judgment here.
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« Reply #3399 on: February 12, 2018, 01:35:46 PM »

You never know where the numbers really stand when there is no election.

But it is just not true that INSA was re-aligning with the others. INSA was closer to the actual result than everyone else and INSA's "house effect" was in the same direction as it had always been and as it turned out to be right in this direction.

I don't claim that INSA is generally the best. Maybe they have a constant AfD bias and were just lucky that they got it right in a certain environment. But it's too easy to dismiss INSA when it has actually been the others who were further away from the final result the whole time.
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